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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 09:50:13 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <vqk6ak$ooc8$2@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vqb4ub$2lue4$3@dont-email.me> <vqb683$2mueq$2@dont-email.me> <vqbp05$2td95$1@dont-email.me> <vqcvlu$34c3r$3@dont-email.me> <vqecht$3epcf$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2lh$3j68u$5@dont-email.me> <vqf6mm$3j47v$4@dont-email.me> <vqg7ng$3qol2$3@dont-email.me> <vqh07g$26ac$1@dont-email.me> <vqhio1$5r7r$1@dont-email.me> <vqhm1s$6fo8$2@dont-email.me> <vqih45$bcso$1@dont-email.me> <vqii32$bcd0$3@dont-email.me> <vqijht$bcso$3@dont-email.me> <vqik16$bcd0$5@dont-email.me> <vqine6$cton$1@dont-email.me> <vqiovv$d4j1$2@dont-email.me> <vqiqk0$dc6s$2@dont-email.me> <vqirn6$dje3$1@dont-email.me> <vqiug9$duqq$1@dont-email.me> <vqiur3$dje3$3@dont-email.me> <vqj2ab$dje3$8@dont-email.me> <vqj2pn$ef0h$7@dont-email.me> <vqj342$dje3$10@dont-email.me> <vqj3bc$ef0h$9@dont-email.me> <vqj3n1$dje3$12@dont-email.me> <vqj460$il72$1@dont-email.me> <vqj4mf$ikc5$1@dont-email.me> <vqj57r$ipa4$1@dont-email.me> <vqj5k2$dje3$13@dont-email.me> <vqj63g$ipa4$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 14:50:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7cd4af0ac1547313f65cbaef3f65f1f"; logging-data="811400"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19O1ASloQqw9JexSc97U/5u" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wkYOYPANWt++CAN7swMXz3yrIwQ= In-Reply-To: <vqj63g$ipa4$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4182 On 3/8/2025 11:40 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/8/2025 10:32 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/8/2025 11:25 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/8/2025 10:16 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/8/2025 11:07 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:59 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 3/8/2025 10:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:49 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 10:43 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:35 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your copy-paste answer to multiple threads indicates you have >>>>>>>>>> no real rebuttal for what others have said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <copy-paste response> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words, you have no rebuttal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *UNTIL YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND* >>>>>>> *THE NEXT STEP THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <copy-paste response> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't matter, as you've already accepted that your HHH isn't a >>>>>> solution to the halting problem >>>>> >>>>> *I never said that* >>>> >>>> Yes you did, by making no attempt to explain otherwise: >>>> >>> >>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and >>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach >>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally >>> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation. >>> >> >> >> In other words, HHH fails to meet the requirement to be classified as >> a solution to the halting problem, as you have already admitted. >> > > You cannot possibly correctly understand the answer to > that issue until after you understand the above mandatory > prerequisite. > It's not an issue. It is stipulated that a solution to the halting problem perform the following mapping: (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly (<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed directly