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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 09:26:24 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <vqk8eg$o4oh$8@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vqcvlu$34c3r$3@dont-email.me> <vqecht$3epcf$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2lh$3j68u$5@dont-email.me> <vqf6mm$3j47v$4@dont-email.me> <vqg7ng$3qol2$3@dont-email.me> <vqh07g$26ac$1@dont-email.me> <vqhio1$5r7r$1@dont-email.me> <vqhm1s$6fo8$2@dont-email.me> <vqih45$bcso$1@dont-email.me> <vqii32$bcd0$3@dont-email.me> <vqijht$bcso$3@dont-email.me> <vqik16$bcd0$5@dont-email.me> <vqine6$cton$1@dont-email.me> <vqiovv$d4j1$2@dont-email.me> <vqiqk0$dc6s$2@dont-email.me> <vqirn6$dje3$1@dont-email.me> <vqiug9$duqq$1@dont-email.me> <vqiur3$dje3$3@dont-email.me> <vqj2ab$dje3$8@dont-email.me> <vqj2pn$ef0h$7@dont-email.me> <vqj342$dje3$10@dont-email.me> <vqj3bc$ef0h$9@dont-email.me> <vqj3n1$dje3$12@dont-email.me> <vqj460$il72$1@dont-email.me> <vqj4mf$ikc5$1@dont-email.me> <vqj57r$ipa4$1@dont-email.me> <vqj5k2$dje3$13@dont-email.me> <vqj63g$ipa4$2@dont-email.me> <vqk6ak$ooc8$2@dont-email.me> <vqk7d4$o4oh$6@dont-email.me> <vqk7hq$ooc8$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 15:26:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9489a26c682238c9921fc6cb3f1d3d5b"; logging-data="791313"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/R3ye2cjAwcpmPOhBN5AII" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FgiUZjqY49VmDToO1LgZNTUpPaY= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250309-2, 3/9/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vqk7hq$ooc8$4@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4237 On 3/9/2025 9:11 AM, dbush wrote: > On 3/9/2025 10:08 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/9/2025 8:50 AM, dbush wrote: >>> >>> It's not an issue. >> >> _DD() >> [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local >> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >> [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax >> [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >> [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f >> [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d >> [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] >> [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp >> [00002154] 5d pop ebp >> [00002155] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >> >> When we assume that HHH emulates N steps of DD then >> >> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* >> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* >> *because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation* >> >> I am not going to address any other point until this >> point is fully understood because the other points >> cannot possibly be understood until this one is totally >> understood. >> >> Whether or not and how it applies to the Halting >> Theorem cannot possibly be understood at all until after >> the above words are 100% totally and perfectly understood. >> > > It is stipulated that a solution to the halting problem perform the > following mapping: > > (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly > (<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed directly > > I am not going to address any other point until this > point is fully understood because the other points > cannot possibly be understood until this one is totally > understood. If you went to play head games you can play by yourself. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer