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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Earth-grazing asteroids as a military resource Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 01:28:33 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 73 Message-ID: <vqmsui$1ck58$1@dont-email.me> References: <vq5mv3$1ii40$1@dont-email.me> <vq80l1$22pl6$2@dont-email.me> <ic2fsjhuqu06vhjsrassubm79n9r62k9jm@4ax.com> <vq8jtq$299g5$1@dont-email.me> <j9sm9l-jus6.ln1@coop.radagast.org> <vqavu4$2m5a5$2@dont-email.me> <vren9lx8t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vqb3fj$2mon7$1@dont-email.me> <d1fo9lx8ms.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vqcje9$323d7$1@dont-email.me> <0t33alxpnm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 15:28:35 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="03d517ea60853bbc578d341e44418b7a"; logging-data="1462440"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/6Xzr1rfyCDJlxgcQ2h+YQKyqCXqq3Jks=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:z84JLFNPV/Gdeg82TASeoGls9R8= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250310-6, 10/3/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <0t33alxpnm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> On 10/03/2025 11:52 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-03-06 17:44, Bill Sloman wrote: >> On 6/03/2025 10:54 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-03-06 04:06, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>> On 6/03/2025 1:45 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-03-06 03:05, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>> On 6/03/2025 8:28 am, Dave Platt wrote: >>>>>>> In article <vq8jtq$299g5$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ... >>> >>> >>>>>>> Do you really expect that any nation can do such a thing, and not >>>>>>> have it >>>>>>> detected and traced back to the nation in question? Outer space is >>>>>>> a lot more "visible" than something like the Manhattan Project was. >>>>>> >>>>>> But there is a lot of it, and most of the action would be >>>>>> happening a long way away from the earth - more than 93 million >>>>>> miles, on average. >>>>> >>>>> Russell's teapot :-p :-) >>>> >>>> Not exactly. My claim was simply that observation would be difficult >>>> - not impossible - in the same way that it isn't impossible to >>>> intercept an intercontinetal ballasitc missile in mid-flight, but >>>> that the practical difficulties mean that nobody is trying to do it. >>>> >>>> Reagan's "Star Wars" proposal pretended that it was practical. >>> >>> The thing is, it is impossible to prove that there are no objects out >>> there in an intercept orbit with earth. >>> >>> If you find one, you have proved it exists, but you can not prove the >>> negative. >> >> And you'd be mad to try. Meteorites hit the earth every day, so there >> are clearly lots of small objects out there with intercept orbits with >> earth. > > Obviously I refer to objects of a dangerous size. And that means that you don't know what you are talking about. There's a whole distribution of space junk up there. The bigger they are, the more damage they can do when they hit the surface of the earth. The historical record - in terms of meteor craters big enough to have survived for a few million years - demonstrates that big earth grazing asteroids are pretty rare. I imagine that somebody has worked out what the distribution is, at least roughly. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278734323_The_Compositional_Structure_of_the_Asteroid_Belt/figures?lo=1 There doesn't seem to be any reason to imagine that the distribution isn't smooth and monotonic. A really small meteor - one only just big enough to make it the surface of the earth - could still kill you if it hit your head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event may have killed three people, but it did knock down a lot of trees. It seems to have been a stony asteroid, rather than a lump of nickel-iron, and seems to have come apart at an altitude of of between five and ten kilometres. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney