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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 14:03:59 -0500
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On 3/10/2025 1:57 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:38:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/10/2025 10:21 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2025 4:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/9/2025 2:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 13:51:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/9/2025 1:24 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 10:46:25 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lasd-looking-for-2-
>>>>>>>>> people-seen-near-southern-california-bikeway-murder-
>>>>>>>>> scene/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it one of those "kiddie trails?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like. BE VERY AFRAID!  ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh hell no. Got a gun.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you're afraid, obviously.
>>>>>
>>>>> (OK, I'm done.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I presume even in US that the majority of gun crime is
>>>> with folks who know
>>>> each other. Ie not just opportunistic crime.
>>>>
>>>> Unconvinced that you’re going to convince folks to be honest!
>>>
>>> Of course I won't convince a person whose most fundamental
>>> belief is "I gotta carry a gun to be safe." Any time they
>>> hear of a similar one-in-a-million incident occurring
>>> thousands of miles away, they take it as "proof" that they
>>> _must_ carry their macho toy to be safe. But they
>>> simultaneously pretend there's no fear involved, none at
>>> all! Because admitting that fear contradicts their brave
>>> macho self image.
>>>
>>> Changing their mind would require a Road to Damascus moment,
>>> maybe something like accidentally shooting their best friend
>>> dead. They're absolutely impervious to data or logic.
>>>
>>> On my ride today, I will not carry a gun nor be afraid.
>>> How's that for macho?  ;-)
>>>
>>
>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own
>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>
>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in
>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>> No longer.
>>
>> There were four murders at her neighborhood (Rogers Park)
>> train station in 2024.
>>
>> More in the neighborhood:
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/medical-examiner-confirms-rogers-park-hate-crime-gunman-died-by-suicide.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/02/quick-work-by-cops-leads-to-charges-in-double-shooting-that-left-1-dead-in-rogers-park.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/02/gunmen-rob-loyola-student-carjack-driver-nearby.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/02/bag-of-cash-gun-found-at-rogers-park-shooting-scene-1-dead-1-critical.html
>>
>> Red Line train of late:
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/15-year-old-boy-was-part-of-robbery-crew-that-mugged-3-on-the-red-line-police.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/group-beat-and-robbed-senior-citizen-on-the-red-line-police-say-in-new-seeking-to-identify-bulletin.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/he-attacked-a-74-year-old-with-wire-cutters-at-fullerton-cta-station-prosecutors-say.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/river-north-robber-was-wearing-an-electronic-monitoring-bracelet-for-another-attempted-robbery-officials-say.html
>>
>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/man-charged-with-north-side-train-robbery-after-cop-recognizes-him-in-wanted-poster.html
>>
>> She does not carry and will not (which is good. she is
>> psychologically ill-suited to use of firearms).
>>
>> Then again, she says being run down by a car on icy streets
>> is less likely than being mugged on the train.
> 
> I remember fearlessly wandering the streets of Chicago near Old Town
> and Chicago Underground until late in the evening. That was in the
> 1960s. People tell me that wasn't even safe back then, but I never had
> any trouble. I did have a couple of guns back then, but I never gave
> any thought to taking them to Chicaago.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

In Old Town in the 1960s you're probably correct in not 
carrying.

In North Lawndale in the 1980s/early 1990s not being armed 
was just stupid. I always carried there.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971