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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: More systemdCrap Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 07:45:12 +0000 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 53 Message-ID: <vqopm8$1s78c$1@dont-email.me> References: <vqn41l$1efis$1@dont-email.me> <vqna2v$1fks2$1@dont-email.me> <vqnbm7$1g56j$1@dont-email.me> <gjo3alxe38.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vqnja1$1hrbi$1@dont-email.me> <rq44alxv4u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:45:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b7ed091c89f64c79b78af56aa5ae3d2"; logging-data="1973516"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18o799/CXmT4W/0TJHDGl4N2PrdPUeHwQ8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wRHykh2xtA7TYdcAB2zzmLRoBIc= In-Reply-To: <rq44alxv4u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3140 On 10/03/2025 22:14, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-03-10 21:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 10/03/2025 18:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-03-10 19:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 10/03/2025 18:12, Dan Espen wrote: >>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I have an errant service spewing out pages of errors. >>>>>> >>>>>> It appears that journalctl is not able to clear a single service from >>>>>> its log files. >>>>>> Anyone know different? >>>>> >>>>> https://serverfault.com/questions/1053748/how-can-i-ask-journalctl- >>>>> to- show-records-for-all-units-except-one >>>>> >>>> What has that got to do with the question? >>> >>> Systemd by intentional design can not clear anything from its log >>> files. You should know this. >>> >> Of course it can. >> >> The problem is it doesn't do it selectively by service, only globally >> by time or by size. >> IN short journalctl is fundamentally broken. > > No, it can not do. The journal contains everything, nothing can be > removed. This is intentional by design. At display time, you can choose > what to show, which is different. > Exactly. It's fundamentally broken It would be very easy to scan the file and copy to a new one deleting specific instances to remove certain classes of logs, but the programmers were too lazy and arrogant to be bothered to do it > Obviously it can delete old entries, that's different. Either by date, > or by choosing what total size to keep. > > Nothing is broken, it has been intentionally designed this way, looking > at integrity of the recorded data, which can be, I heard, > cryptographically signed. > As I said designed to a stupid specification by a total wanker All logs are not created equal. -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon.