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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.physics Subject: Re: The antics of thermodynamics, the depravity of relativity, the bunkum of quantum Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:23:15 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <vqove7$1ta40$1@dont-email.me> References: <29ddba74afd0cdddbd9fbef17243485e@www.novabbs.com> <2937ffa1c63968d4b00621247540b721@www.novabbs.com> <vqfvbu$3pesl$2@dont-email.me> <vqg514$3qdc5$1@dont-email.me> <1b8634e8fc31423132450161b2ad982e@www.novabbs.com> <de8b343039f25de18d931ba08ec830a8@www.novabbs.com> <vqii28$brqv$1@dont-email.me> <vqjo8h$lsno$1@dont-email.me> <d95900145784cfad3e255b531e15d986@www.novabbs.com> <vqo05a$1kf0u$1@dont-email.me> <mn.54f17e9355d14950.127094@snitoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 10:23:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fe4c097d0975e1ed284d9353595b0403"; logging-data="2009216"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/s4JKf6n6ZXFRMPjtmZVJH" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:8KOFiKpuF4QksrJrmxzd0EASRNQ= In-Reply-To: <mn.54f17e9355d14950.127094@snitoo> Bytes: 3005 On 11/03/25 15:05, Snidely wrote: > Thus spake Peter Moylan: > >> At the centre of the earth, you also have to taken into account the >> radially directed non-gravitational force that comes from the >> weight of all the rocks (and so on) above your head. > > Say what? "non-graviational" from "weight"? Perhaps I should have phrased that better. Consider a hypothetical cave explorer at a distance r from the centre of the earth. The gravitational force experienced by that person, i.e. that person's weight, is that due to the sphere of radius r below him. The gravitational attraction between the person and the earth is not affected by that part of the earth at greater radii. That point is agreed by everyone here. However there is another relevant force. The roof of the cave is supporting the weight of the material above it. (And it is a weight, so I shouldn't have called it non-gravitational. But it's different from the weight of the cave explorer.) As long as the roof doesn't collapse, that force doesn't affect the explorer. Go deep enough, though, and that second weight is big enough so that the roof will indeed collapse, so our explorer will (very briefly) experience it. Deep underground, the pressure is so high that no voids can exist. No caves, so no journey to the centre of the earth. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW