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From: bart <bc@freeuk.com>
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Subject: Re: Python recompile
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 11:43:50 +0000
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On 11/03/2025 00:57, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:59:22 +0000, bart wrote:
> 
>> On 09/03/2025 21:54, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> And this for a package which is known to build on Windows.
>>
>> It has been known to. But as I showed it doesn't always work.
> 
> No, you weren’t able to get it to work.

A build process should be foolproof. You seem to be moving from 'Windows 
is rubbish' to 'the person trying to build it is an idiot'. What excuse 
will you come up with next?

I suppose it is inconceivable that the build process is over-elaborate, 
highly error prone and over-dependent on third-party tools?

The CPython build for Windows, /10 years ago/ (I guess it wouldn't have 
gotten any simpler!) involved VS, MSVC, MS Build Tools, GIT, SVN and a 
bunch of stuff I can't even remember. It still didn't work.

  Clearly others have the skills to
> make it work.
> 
>> But, when I eliminate the makefile nonsense, it often does work, more
>> simply and more quickly.
> 
> Prove it: do it with the Python build.

Sure, just tell me the C files that comprise each binary, and ensure all 
..c and .h files are supplied.

This the bit that the supplied build process makes near-impossible to do 
in a straightforward way.

For /my/ interpreted language, ON WINDOWS (the OS you seem to think it 
incapable of building any software), it is built from source as follows:

Start with these TWO files:

   c:\demo>dir
   07/03/2025  21:00           402,432 mm.exe
   11/03/2025  11:33           865,928 qq.ma

Compile one with the other:

   c:\demo>mm qq
   Compiling qq.m to qq.exe

Now there are THREE files:

   c:\demo>dir
   07/03/2025  21:00           402,432 mm.exe
   11/03/2025  11:34           567,808 qq.exe
   11/03/2025  11:33           865,928 qq.ma

The new one is the interpreter. Neat, yes? I doubt you can get much 
simpler and more effortless than this.

However, this is me making the effort to make it so. AFAICS nobody over 
at Linux-land is trying make things simpler; they're making things 
bigger and more complicated instead by adding extra layers.

Hint: the ability to type 'make' (one character less than 'mm qq') to 
start a build process involving 1000s of files, 100s of directories, 10s 
of 1000s of lines of scripts, dozens of specialist utilities, taking 
several minutes to complete, with myriad failure points, is NOT what I 
would count as simpler.