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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 08:37:49 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <vqpebd$202b2$4@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqotps$1snjg$1@dont-email.me> <vqp3n7$1u2l3$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 14:37:50 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="21ad3ceb157a21d404b41b865b615184"; logging-data="2099554"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IEMAQtuF2/VE2JxsQR9Ev" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WzEGMObltyTn/QwUEelu4ThDtHE= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250311-0, 3/10/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vqp3n7$1u2l3$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2975 On 3/11/2025 5:36 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-03-11 08:55:22 +0000, Fred. Zwarts said: > >> Op 11.mrt.2025 om 00:41 schreef olcott: >>> typedef void (*ptr)(); >>> int HHH(ptr P); >>> >>> void Infinite_Loop() >>> { >>> HERE: goto HERE; >>> return; >>> } >>> >>> void Infinite_Recursion() >>> { >>> Infinite_Recursion(); >>> return; >>> } >>> >>> void DDD() >>> { >>> HHH(DDD); >>> return; >>> } >>> >>> int DD() >>> { >>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>> if (Halt_Status) >>> HERE: goto HERE; >>> return Halt_Status; >>> } >>> >>> That when HHH correctly emulates N steps of the >>> above functions that none of these functions can >>> possibly reach their own "return" instruction >>> and terminate normally. >>>> >>> >>> Since HHH does see that same pattern that competent >>> C programmers see it correctly aborts its emulation >>> and rejects these inputs as non terminating. >> >> All competent C programmers see that HHH correctly reports that it >> cannot possibly reach the 'return' instruction. > > How may competent C programmers did you ask? > Two C programmers with masters degrees in computer science both agreed that DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction and terminate normally. > The information given is clearly insufficient to determine whether HHH > reports at all or what it reports. That HHH returns an int is given but > not how that int (or anything else) relates to "HHH cannot possibly reach > the return instruction". > HHH simply sees that same non-terminating pattern that every competent C programmer sees. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer