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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 12:01:16 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 81 Message-ID: <vqpq8s$22qmv$1@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqotps$1snjg$1@dont-email.me> <vqp1l9$1tful$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdmv$202b2$1@dont-email.me> <vqpekf$20c9k$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 18:01:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="21ad3ceb157a21d404b41b865b615184"; logging-data="2190047"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/z1BXwg4cQj0g1CKfAXzZz" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:+Pev2CUwe2v2AwvQAWwj8zR7gOo= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vqpekf$20c9k$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250311-0, 3/10/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3323 On 3/11/2025 8:42 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 11/03/2025 13:26, olcott wrote: >> On 3/11/2025 5:01 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > > <snip> > >>> And yet I can't even /see/ HHH, let alone judge what it does or does >>> not do correctly. All I see is a call to it. >>> >> >> It is stipulated that HHH correctly emulates N >> steps of the x86 machine code of its input functions. >> This may or may not include HHH emulating itself >> emulating an input.typedef void (*ptr)(); int HHH(ptr P); void Infinite_Loop() { HERE: goto HERE; return; } void Infinite_Recursion() { Infinite_Recursion(); return; } void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } int DD() { int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); if (Halt_Status) HERE: goto HERE; return Halt_Status; } That when HHH correctly emulates N steps of the above functions that none of these functions can possibly reach their own "return" instruction and terminate normally. > > Not good enough. Show us the code. It may contain a bug that you haven't > spotted. > The above is a semantic tautology thus making bugs impossible. https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c >>> And ld concurs. It can't see HHH either. >>> >>> I suggest that Mr Olcott should supply the missing source code if he >>> wishes to be taken seriously. >>> >> >> Not required for the above thought experience where >> every relevant behavior has been fully specified. This >> is merely another lame attempt on your part to perpetually >> dodge the point. > > Dodge what point? You must be confusing me with someone else, because I > have no idea what your point is, unless it's to demonstrate that you > have read up on the Halting Problem. Jolly good tick VG, but it's a done > deal, it's in the literature, and you're almost a century too late. > If you as not Richard Damon pretending to be someone else, great!!! -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer