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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.panix6.panix.com!nan.panix.com!robomod!not-for-mail From: Usenet Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org> Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,news.groups Subject: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Followup-To: news.groups.proposals Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 17:12:52 EDT Organization: Usenet Big-8 Management Board Approved: Moderator of news.announce.newgroups <newgroups-request@isc.org>, NGP Approval Key <ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org> Message-ID: <vqq7tf$ehn$1@reader1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="panix6.panix.com:166.84.1.6"; logging-data="22705"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-NAN-Policy: http://www.panix.com/~nan/ X-NAN-Info-1: Send submissions to news-announce-newgroups@panix.com X-NAN-Info-2: Send technical complaints to news-announce-newgroups-request@panix.com X-NAN-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to news-announce-newgroups-request@panix.com X-NAN-Info-4: GnuPG 1.4.5 Public Key at http://www.panix.com/~nan/gpg.html X-Comment-1: The moderators do not necessarily agree or disagree with this article. 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X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov), C++/Perl/Unix Consulting X-Moderation-1: Hassle-Free commercial hosting of moderation sites available X-Moderation-2: See http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump X-Spam-Relay-Country: DE US US X-Spam-DCC: : Authentication-Results: mail1.panix.com; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=big-8.org Authentication-Results: mail1.panix.com; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=panix.com Content-Language: en-CA Archive-Name: mass-deletion-nomod-2025 X-Auth: PGPMoose V2.0 PGP news.announce.newgroups iEYEARECAAYFAmfQp1UACgkQXMotZRinPKkOeACeJLWE5d+rxywiM9h+BIhEO2aO eR0An0F/HNUM1JfXM/cOjLWn46KHvDTe =0BmZ X-Auth: PGPMoose V2.0 PGP news.groups.proposals iEYEARECAAYFAmfQp1UACgkQrPkQbuk9hdsOeACdEV3ZcMqtIVrW+qvhbrsE1dg3 6okAnioXJ9oN/XMP3h+sXZ0OoSvhyDxQ =sIzh Bytes: 15395 Lines: 270 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following 99 moderated newsgroups. RATIONALE: Currently, these groups cannot be used for discussion because of the lack of a moderator. Most of these groups haven't had a moderator for a long time and have been unused for years. We consider it unlikely that they will ever be revived with a new moderator. Nonetheless, anyone interested in becoming a moderator for a group listed in this RFD is invited to contact the Big-8 Management Board. DISCUSSION SO FAR: noel, Christian Schumacher, and Vasos Panagiotopoulos argued for having at least some groups' moderation flag unset rather than deleting the groups. Ivo Gandolfo countered that many servers would not properly apply the change in moderation flag. Marco Moock said that cleaning up unused groups will make it easier for users to find active groups; he acknowledged that some servers don't process control articles but wondered why he should care about these servers. Julien ÉLIE said that people will appreciate a cleaned-up newsgroups list and that it doesn't matter if some servers don't process the control articles. Julius Bernotas said that groups should be deleted when they no longer fulfill their purpose. Jean-Paul agreed with Marco that cleaning up unused groups will make it easier for users to find active groups. Christian Schumacher said that he looks for newsgroups by name, not by traffic. noel argued that deleting a few hundred groups will not make it significantly easier to find active groups. Julien ÉLIE agreed and said that unmoderated groups should also be cleaned up. In a separate discussion on news.groups, Adam H. Kerman said that the RFD was not being distributed widely enough, including to potential moderators of the specific groups in the RFD. To the argument that removing unused groups makes active groups easier to find, he responded that users can find these via keyword search and by attempting to post to them. D expressed "no objections your honour" to the RFD, later noting that 10% of currently active newsgroups are moderated, but that the remaining 90% unmoderated active newsgroups are overrun by trolls and spam. Paul Schleck suggested a mechanism for crossposting a pointer to RFD to the affected groups. Also on news.groups, Steve Bonine warned that when groups are removed, the history associated with the contents of the group will disappear, which could hinder people doing (historical) research. He agreed that removing the unused groups in the RFD would prevent users from wasting their time posting into the void, but said that at this time it's not worth the effort to delete them. Winston shared Steve Bonine's concern about the contents of deleted groups disappearing. Computer Nerd Kev said that converting the groups to unmoderated ones may work around this problem. Computer Nerd Kev pointed out that rec.arts.movies.reviews has seen recent activity and sees a chance to revive it. (The Board subsequently investigated this and confirmed that the group has no moderation address registered; the sole active poster, who they were unable to reach for comment, seems to be circumventing this by posting articles with an Approved header to a lenient server.) The Board also received an e-mail from someone volunteering to moderate soc.genealogy.surnames.britain and is currently in correspondence with them. In light of these developments, rec.arts.movies.reviews and soc.genealogy.surnames.britain were excluded from the 2nd RFD. DISTRIBUTION: news.announce.newgroups news.groups.proposals news.groups Following feedback received from the earlier RFDs, the Board will attempt to post targeted notices of this proposal in groups topically related to each one under discussion, such as its parent group, its sibling *.misc group, and/or the *.misc group of some other ancestor. PROCEDURE: This 3rd RFD will run for at least 4 weeks. The group lists may be revised during this stage and additional RFDs posted as necessary. Discussion about candidate groups should take place in the moderated group news.groups.proposals. Following the conclusion of the final RFD, we will issue a Last Call for Comments (LCC), after which the Board will vote. If there are specific reasons to vote individually for some groups, the Board will do, but the default will be a ballot covering all groups. More details can be found here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Mass_removal_of_groups NEWSGROUP LINES: comp.binaries.cbm For the transfer of 8bit Commodore binaries. (Moderated) comp.doc.techreports Lists of technical reports. (Moderated) comp.internet.library Discussing electronic libraries. (Moderated) comp.lang.c.moderated The C programming language. (Moderated) comp.newprod Announcements of new products of interest. (Moderated) comp.org.cauce The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-Mail. (Moderated) comp.robotics.research Academic, government & industry research in robotics. (Moderated) comp.simulation Simulation methods, problems, uses. (Moderated) comp.soft-sys.math.mathematica Mathematica discussion group. (Moderated) comp.sources.games Postings of recreational software. (Moderated) comp.std.announce Announcements about standards activities. (Moderated) comp.sys.amiga.announce Announcements about the Amiga. (Moderated) comp.sys.sun.announce Sun announcements and Sunergy mailings. (Moderated) humanities.philosophy.objectivism The ideas of Ayn Rand. (Moderated) misc.activism.progressive Information for Progressive activists. (Moderated) misc.business.consulting The business of consulting. (Moderated) misc.business.marketing.moderated Roundtable for marketing topics. (Moderated) misc.business.moderated Roundtable for general business topics. (Moderated) misc.entrepreneurs.moderated Entrepreneur/business topics. (Moderated) misc.invest.financial-plan Financial planning in general. (Moderated) misc.transport.air-industry Airlines, airports, commercial aircraft. (Moderated) misc.writing.screenplays.moderated Craft/business of screenwriting. (Moderated) news.admin.net-abuse.policy Discussion of net abuse policy. (Moderated) news.announce.conferences Calls for papers and conferences. (Moderated) rec.arts.anime.creative Original works by fans, related to anime/manga. (Moderated) rec.arts.anime.info Announcements about Japanese animation. (Moderated) rec.arts.ascii ASCII art, info on archives, art, & artists. (Moderated) rec.arts.drwho.moderated Discussion of "Doctor Who". (Moderated) rec.arts.erotica Erotic fiction and verse. (Moderated) rec.arts.movies.erotica Aspects of erotic films and videos. (Moderated) rec.arts.sf.announce Major announcements of the SF world. (Moderated) rec.arts.sf.starwars.info General information pertaining to Star Wars. (Moderated) rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated Discussion of Formula One racing. (Moderated) rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated NASCAR and Stockcar Racing. (Moderated) rec.boats.marketplace Boating products for sale and wanted. (Moderated) rec.crafts.jewelry Jewelry making and gemology. (Moderated) rec.drugs.announce Announcements about drugs and related issues. (Moderated) rec.food.cuisine.jewish All matters concerning Jewish cuisine. (Moderated) rec.food.recipes Recipes for interesting food and drink. (Moderated) rec.gardens.ecosystems Ecosystems and organic gardening. (Moderated) ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========