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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Carol" <cshenk@virginia-beach.com> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking Subject: Re: Last night was "surf and coop." Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:44:37 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vqqldl$28kvh$1@dont-email.me> References: <67caf01a$13$1786$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <47c0744f2bd51cc37e867bf09eed7ae7@www.novabbs.org> <452ff357f9191c16a0cd7fe8d0f711c7@www.novabbs.com> <vqf8eb$3k5i2$2@dont-email.me> <vqfaec$3l2cv$1@dont-email.me> <vqfaml$3l8ss$1@dont-email.me> <d3ff7e3edfc736f264af2e0cb0e0a668@www.novabbs.com> <vqg5mb$3qgfp$1@dont-email.me> <vqg6cp$3qk04$1@dont-email.me> <df2a11b019e46f9dae54c8fc9f08aed1@www.novabbs.com> <vqhjit$5sjf$2@dont-email.me> <vqhl90$6ets$1@dont-email.me> <o9ZyP.193801$zz8b.47552@fx09.iad> <vqhv9r$83q2$1@dont-email.me> <Sf0zP.258394$BrX.85731@fx12.iad> <vqigjj$bklf$1@dont-email.me> <vqil1k$c4pp$2@dont-email.me> <e_4zP.338755$eNx6.136725@fx14.iad> <vqio6o$c4pp$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 01:44:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b4ea0b0e07052d19f71351fda0a538ff"; logging-data="2380785"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/5LjW612PqOTsSRv4F95aT" User-Agent: XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TchR9H3oUZV1mRVQGH6DJZRUMtg= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250311-4, 3/11/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Jill McQuown wrote: > On 3/8/2025 7:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > > On 2025-03-08 6:49 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote: > > > On 3/8/2025 5:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > > > > > The customers pay the employees either way. > > > > > > > That's true. But in states like SC where the minimum server wage > > > is still a ridiculous $2.13/hour, it's kind of silly to have to > > > depend upon the kindness of strangers to make up the difference > > > between that and the Federal minimum wage of $7.25/hour. > > > (Technically the employer is supposed to make up the > > > difference.) Counting on the customer to leave more than a 50 > > > cent tip on a $40 meal doesn't cut it. > > > > > > My manager and his wife eat out a LOT. He had no idea $2.13 is > > > the base server wage in this state. And oh, it doesn't matter > > > if you tip in cash or put it on your credit card because server > > > income is reported based on sales rung at the register. Handing > > > them a tip in cash makes no difference whatsoever in what gets > > > reported as taxable income to the IRS. They assume you're > > > earning at least the Federal minimum. > > > > I don't know exactly how the IRS does it but up here is the CRA > > and my understanding is that they have some sort of formula to > > estimate the tip income that would be expected for a server. My > > son was waiter in bar for a while and later managed bars. At one > > time one of his cousins worked for him and the guy was making a > > lot in tips and apparently not declaring them all. He got audited > > and ended up owing thousands of dollars in income tax. This > > nephew had worked part time as a waiter while studying restaurant > > and hotel management at university. After graduation he kept > > waiting tables for years because he was making so much more than > > he could have as a manager. > > > > > It's been a very long time since I worked as a server. I remember > the days when tips were not reported as income. Then someone at the > IRS woke up and said hey, wait a minute! what about all that money > people keep handing them? We need to find a way to tax it! So they > decided not to rely on servers reporting what they earned. So they > calculate a percentage based on each server's sales rung up at the > register. Even if you don't make diddly squat in tips, a percentage > gets reported to the IRS as taxable income. > > Jill Well that doesn't work well. See my other post. 5 shifts, only 2 customers total (on differnt nights). Tip total, 4.13 over 15 hours work (3 hour shifts)