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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Very Stupid Mistake and Liars Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:18:44 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vqqqu3$28kp8$2@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqqnk5$28jtr$1@dont-email.me> <vqqonm$28lh2$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq09$28kp8$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq7s$29buv$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:18:44 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8716d0356783f046d50792ab42ba1cd2"; logging-data="2380584"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18nItgH5bm68POhR+rSbmCY" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:VBShqyef1kGtQjyhbYEfoRISEto= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vqqq7s$29buv$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2476 On 3/11/2025 10:06 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/11/2025 9:02 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/11/2025 9:41 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 12/03/2025 01:22, olcott wrote: >>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its >>>> own "return" instruction and terminates normally >>>> in any finite or infinite number of correctly >>>> simulated steps. >>> >>> If it correctly simulates infinitely many steps, it doesn't >>> terminate. Look up "infinite". >>> >>> But your task is to decide for /any/ program, not just DDD. That, as >>> you are so fond of saying, is 'stipulated', and you can't get out of >>> it. The whole point of the Entscheidungsproblem is its universality. >>> Ignore that, and you have nothing. >>> >> >> >> Given that his code has HHH(DD) returning 0, > > THESE ARE THE WORDS ANYONE THAT DODGES THESE > WORDS WILL BE TAKEN FOR A LIAR > > void DDD() > { > HHH(DDD); > return; > } > > DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its > own "return" instruction and terminates normally > in any finite or infinite number of correctly > simulated steps. > Changing the input is not allowed.