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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Very Stupid Mistake Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:29:56 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: <vqqrj4$29meg$1@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqqnk5$28jtr$1@dont-email.me> <vqqonm$28lh2$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq1n$29buv$1@dont-email.me> <vqqqs7$28lh2$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:29:57 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="da28212957632e1bc35b68d4fbc88507"; logging-data="2415056"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ZdChNWImEIIEZE7QpQwXN" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:efel+3TsNFWpnOXSptoHOlO9gII= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vqqqs7$28lh2$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250311-4, 3/11/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3326 On 3/11/2025 9:17 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 12/03/2025 02:03, olcott wrote: >> On 3/11/2025 8:41 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 12/03/2025 01:22, olcott wrote: >>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its >>>> own "return" instruction and terminates normally >>>> in any finite or infinite number of correctly >>>> simulated steps. >>> >>> If it correctly simulates infinitely many steps, it doesn't >>> terminate. Look up "infinite". >>> >> >> *It was dishonest of you to remove this context* > > No, it wasn't. > > >> On 3/11/2025 12:42 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >> > (Even though it demonstrably DOES halt if not >> > aborted and simulated further. >> >> That statement is stupidly false. >> >>> But your task is to decide for /any/ program, not just DDD. >> >> No you have this WRONG. > > No, you do. It's stipulated. > >> >> My WHOLE effort has been to correctly determine the >> halt status of the conventional halting problem proof's >> "impossible" input. > > Then you're not addressing the conventional halting problem. You're > addressing an infinitesimally small non-problem. The conventional > halting problem requires a universal decision-maker that /works/ > universally in finite time. Yours clearly doesn't. > >> >> This by itself is better than anyone else has ever done >> with this proof since it was first presented 89 years ago. > > Well, no, it isn't. The lack of a counter-example sufficiently proves that you have no basis for *the exact meaning of my specific claim* > But why not just stipulate that you're a genius? > Nobody can argue then, right? Why not stipulate yourself a Fields Medal > while you're at it? > -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer