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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Very Stupid Mistake and Liars Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:31:03 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vqqrl7$29meg$2@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqqnk5$28jtr$1@dont-email.me> <vqqonm$28lh2$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq09$28kp8$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq7s$29buv$2@dont-email.me> <vqqqu3$28kp8$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:31:03 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="da28212957632e1bc35b68d4fbc88507"; logging-data="2415056"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RJ2YLO40Pti8Fh+0q04Ix" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ArQFCJET14VjPHSQr5HQzVueNyY= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250311-4, 3/11/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vqqqu3$28kp8$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2920 On 3/11/2025 9:18 PM, dbush wrote: > On 3/11/2025 10:06 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/11/2025 9:02 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/11/2025 9:41 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>> On 12/03/2025 01:22, olcott wrote: >>>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its >>>>> own "return" instruction and terminates normally >>>>> in any finite or infinite number of correctly >>>>> simulated steps. >>>> >>>> If it correctly simulates infinitely many steps, it doesn't >>>> terminate. Look up "infinite". >>>> >>>> But your task is to decide for /any/ program, not just DDD. That, as >>>> you are so fond of saying, is 'stipulated', and you can't get out of >>>> it. The whole point of the Entscheidungsproblem is its universality. >>>> Ignore that, and you have nothing. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Given that his code has HHH(DD) returning 0, >> >> THESE ARE THE WORDS ANYONE THAT DODGES THESE >> WORDS WILL BE TAKEN FOR A LIAR >> >> void DDD() >> { >> HHH(DDD); >> return; >> } >> >> DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its >> own "return" instruction and terminates normally >> in any finite or infinite number of correctly >> simulated steps. >> > > Changing the input is not allowed. *You are simply lying that any input was ever changed* -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer