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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths... Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:30:07 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 116 Message-ID: <vqr8ajluse6ohpj7r831h1592u8afb9hmu@4ax.com> References: <v7r6v6$1q2ff$1@dont-email.me> <cn63ajhof05ufg9beuuoksdar1uqqrj66k@4ax.com> <v7s82e$1va65$2@dont-email.me> <etc4ajp3jdeq2c6tmn73v98rq7ftuqddkm@4ax.com> <g1g4aj90e4codctdhummefsm8okc8dkt45@4ax.com> <h0j4aj5g5l4hq49o71uhmh6adagrf348q0@4ax.com> <v0r5ajp1mu2d29csdad8gg2bru7gi0femi@4ax.com> <v7v4oa$2lkdi$5@dont-email.me> <52m6ajhqde6dq5ml6n5c3tat7er7pudbm2@4ax.com> <ihd8ajl9cjkf0uhael6vla27f0u2v057fi@4ax.com> <v81f8b$31pcq$6@dont-email.me> <v81imo$32thj$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 06:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="20deb46e360e4d3deac38cf7e426b2e6"; logging-data="3416236"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/D0CzfJBLFsAmhvzT3lctQizgniY5n2c0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:rTew80uUm7nP5AWHpKcqA6ecrFM= Bytes: 6189 On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 20:32:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 7/26/2024 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> On 7/26/2024 8:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:07:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:21:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm saying AR-style guns have no practical value in >>>>> civilian hands, but >>>>> they impose serious societal harm. You agree they have >>>>> no practical >>>>> value, and you demonstrate that by not owning one. >>>>> >>>>> Why do your actions contradict your arguments? >>>> >>>> <eyeroll> >>>> >>>> Does the fact that Krygowski doesn't own a pickup truck >>>> mean that they >>>> have no practical value? >>>> >>>> Does the fact that most cyclists do not own a bike >>>> generator mean that >>>> they have no practical value? >>>> >>>> Simple logic seems to be beyond Krygowski's intellect. >>> >>> Poor old Frankie. He thrashes around and comes up with >>> what he thinks >>> is a logical argument but even a tiny bit of research >>> would show him >>> that: >>> "The AR-15s are one of the most popular hunting rifles in >>> America >>> nowadays, and there are several effective, accessible >>> calibers with >>> bustling aftermarket's. These cartridges include 6.5 >>> Grendel, . 300 >>> Blackout, . 450 Bushmaster, and ." >>> >>> https://blog.primaryarms.com/guide/ar-15-calibers-for-hunting-deer/ >>> https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/3-ar-15s-3-types-game/ >>> https://time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/ >>> https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/should-your-next-deer-rifle-be-an-ar-15 >>> I could have gone on, there are at least 10 more pages, >>> but why >>> bother as the first page is sufficient to show Frankie for >>> the fool >>> that he is. >> >> Did you really read those? The theme is "Ooh, ARs are >> popular. And you _can_ use them for some hunting. Like wild >> boars, or Hawaiian goats." But about half the copy was about >> the downsides and how to mitigate them. >> >> "with hunting smaller animals with an AR-15 is that you must >> have a superior aim, and if you plan on eating your small >> game, the AR is not ideal for the takedown.... ARs for these >> animals are typically heavier than those built for small >> game, so you may need to experiment with different stocks >> for comfort... The standard .223/5.56 rounds are not ideal >> for large animals... some states don't allow deer hunting >> with .223 diameter bullets or an AR-15 rifle...the semi-auto >> action is more likely to malfunction than simpler action >> designs...A jammed AR-15 may require more steps to get it >> back in the game...the possibility that the detachable >> magazine could fall out during a hunt..." >> >> Overall, it's about the changes needed to make a silk purse >> out of a sow's ear. And still, I saw no mention of the great >> advantage of being able to empty a 30 round magazine in less >> than a minute while hunting. >> >> I guess that's because it's real value is hunting kids in a >> schoolroom, right? Right! But I read that "U.S. civilians own an estimated 20 million AR-15s" https://www.kcur.org/podcast/up-to-date/2023-09-29/u-s-civilians-own-an-estimated-20-million-ar-15s-how-the-rifle-became-a-political-symbol and I also read that: Guns used in mass shootings in the U.S. 1982-2023 Published by Statista Research Department, Jul 5, 2024 Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 166 different handguns being used in 116 incidents between 1982 and December 2023. These figures are calculated from a total of 149 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings. So the reality is that 20 million AR owners are responsible for 22 mass shootings while pistol owners are responsible for 78% and thus outlawing AR type rifles will eliminate mass shootings? Right? >Right. As with bicycles, different designs have greater or >lesser success in various applications. > >The AR platform in .223 has some advantages at medium/close >range where weight matters. Longer distance low MOA is >better achieved with larger calibers and varmint shooters >like very small high speed rounds such as the .17. > >Same with a stable mudguard/carrier equipped commuters with >heavy durable wide tires. You didn't see even one in the T de F. > >That said there are magnitudes more .223 ARs than .50 >Barretts and equally proportioned numbers of commuter bikes >vs real race bikes. -- Cheers, John B.