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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Very Stupid Mistake Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:35:24 +0000 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 38 Message-ID: <vqrh0c$2frof$3@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqqnk5$28jtr$1@dont-email.me> <vqqonm$28lh2$1@dont-email.me> <vqqq1n$29buv$1@dont-email.me> <55f5bff6e57c359e9f378234425022f2de863456@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:35:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1e46a42d02300691bd0ac693a83620d5"; logging-data="2617103"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++2//PvZ7E2gj3Ol8MsqX78bJcdE+qarJA+nKM3uz2xQ==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:X2PaTl30fxNGd7k/d63OgEAWyQo= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <55f5bff6e57c359e9f378234425022f2de863456@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2877 On 12/03/2025 08:24, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:03:35 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/11/2025 8:41 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 12/03/2025 01:22, olcott wrote: > >>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH never reaches its own "return" >>>> instruction and terminates normally in any finite or infinite number >>>> of correctly simulated steps. >>> If it correctly simulates infinitely many steps, it doesn't terminate. >>> Look up "infinite". >> *It was dishonest of you to remove this context* >> On 3/11/2025 12:42 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >> > (Even though it demonstrably DOES halt if not aborted and simulated >> > further. >> That statement is stupidly false. > lol > >>> But your task is to decide for /any/ program, not just DDD. >> No you have this WRONG. >> My WHOLE effort has been to correctly determine the halt status of the >> conventional halting problem proof's "impossible" input. > It is impossible because a decider doesn't exist. Nor can it. We've known that for a long time because Turing gave the proof in 1936. The OP's counterproof, such as it is, relies on his having a working general-purpose decision program, and he seems to accept that he doesn't have one, so he's hoping it's good enough to have a decision program that can make a decision for one program. (Clearly it isn't.) -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within