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On 2025-03-12 06:47:10 +0000, MarkE said:


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> 
> Look, we'll probably always strongly disagree, but a rhetorical boxing 
> match is at the expense of interesting discussion. I am willing to 
> examine the less certain aspects of my own position.
> 
> 1. I've been quite open about being a mainstream Christian,

I'm curious as to how you define a mainstream Christian. Is Martin, a 
Roman Catholic, a mainstream Christian? Is Ron, a Methodist, a 
mainstream Christian? Was I, when I was an Anglican, a mainstream 
Christian? Was Theodosius Dobzhansky, a practising Eastern Orthodox 
Christian, a mainstream Christian? Or do you just mean someone who 
follows Southern Baptist orthodoxy?

>  therefore belief in an omniscient designer is assumed. The only reason 
> I mentioned it here was to contrast solution space access, even at risk 
> of stating the obvious. Not sure what your concern with this is?
> 
> 2. As I said above, you interpreted me to be saying "that evolution HAS 
> to explore ALL available search space." I clarified that my meaning was 
> not that, but rather the postulate "that evolution would NOT be able to 
> explore all available search space." Do you accept this?
> 
> 3. I can appreciate there is some frustration in relation to the "what, 
> why, where, and how" questions. I'm not actively avoiding them, and 
> have given some broad suggestions here and there.
> 
> An example I've give before is this: it is entirely valid to seek to 
> show that human induced global warming is a real problem, regardless of 
> whether or not you have a solution. Similarly, it is entirely valid to 
> seek to show that naturalistic explanations of origins are inadequate, 
> regardless of whether or not you offer an alternative hypothesis. That 
> would in and of itself be of profound importance and value. Offering an 
> alternative hypothesis (naturalistic or supernatural) would be also be 
> of profound importance and value, but not necessary to validate the 
> former.
> 
> Open to exploring this further.


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.