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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:14:45 -0500
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On 3/12/2025 3:08 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2025 06:31:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11 Mar 2025 15:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue Mar 11 10:58:45 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own
>>>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are
>>>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees,
>>>>>>>>>> graveyards and more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying
>>>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in
>>>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>>>>>>>>>>> No longer. ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet
>>>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in
>>>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesnt mean it will happen, going out on limb
>>>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or without
>>>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun on him?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
>>>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
>>>>>>> certain sense of security :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a kinda difficult
>>>>>> risk case to put it mildly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a wise decision,
>>>>>> riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence the absence of
>>>>>> bike specific kit to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you suppose that Vietnam or Laos is safe today?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I?d assume so yes, I?d confidently predict it has lower violent crime rate
>>>> than US, certainly folks who have gone there or lived there haven?t claimed
>>>> they needed a gun or someone with gun for protection!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't speak for Vietnam or Laos, which are both Communist,  but in
>>> Thailand, my nephew - manages a family business in the village -
>>> estimates that every business will have at least one gun (legal or
>>> not) on the premises and all gold shops, for sure, will have one at
>>> the sales counter, and they will shoot.
>>
>> That is moving goal posts, ie folks are using guns as deterrent against
>> robbery at high value stores.
>>
>> And yes guns can be a deterrent, here as the armed police are so lethal,
>> and using a gun will make you a target both literally and for
>> investigation, so only very dumb folks use guns as the risks are so high,
>> and tend to pay the price for doing so.
>>
>> That’s rather different to having a gun, for bike ride or popping to the
>> shops and so on.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> The Europeans, especially the Brits, are much more willing to let
> their government run their lives for them than we USAians. The attempt
> here to move us in that direction that was soundly rejected in the
> last election.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

There's a similar cultural rift between US and Canadian 
ethos, as applies to the relationship between the individual 
and the State.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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