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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 10:13:17 -0400
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On 3/12/2025 9:13 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2025 2:50 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 3/11/2025 8:37 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:58:04 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/11/2025 6:47 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own
>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are
>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees,
>>>>>>>> graveyards and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying
>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in
>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>>>>>>>>> No longer. ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet
>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in
>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesn’t mean it will happen, going out 
>>>>>> on limb
>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or 
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun 
>>>>>> on him?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
>>>>> certain sense of security :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-)
>>>>
>>>> lol...yeah, let's compare an active war zone to a florida bike path -
>>>> that's rational.....
>>>
>>> The point was, as I did state, "you felt more secure "even when they
>>> weren't shooting"
>>
>> Comparing a bike path in floriduh in 2025 to vietnam in 1970 isn't 
>> rational, in fact, it's pretty fucking stupid....kunich-level stupid.
>>
>>> But as I've said (many times) it is legal in Florida. You would deny
>>> someone the right to do something that is legal? 
>>
>> nope, if he wants to carry a gun, he's free to do so. His rationale 
>> for carrying one is weak in that the risk of being attacked on the 
>> trail is less than being struck by lightening, and the idea that a 
>> fragile old man with his admitted deteriorating motor skills, 
>> eyesight, and hearing could actually defend himself without an 
>> assailant taking the gun from him and pistol whipping him with it is 
>> laughable.
>>
>> But in the immortal words of Mason Williams, "one day you realize that 
>> 'I Want to' is the worlds greatest reason".
>>
>>
>>> Isn't it still a
>>> (sort of) democracy back there?
>>
>> The fact that there is no linkage between a working democracy and the 
>> "right" to own guns notwithstanding, the answer to that question is: 
>> Sort of, but it's slipping fast. In 2022 trump stated “A Massive Fraud 
>> of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, 
>> regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”. 
>> Throw in the recent SCOTUS decision that gave trump broad immunity by 
>> ruling that the president is immune from prosecution for any and all 
>> official acts committed as president, followed by his more recent X 
>> postings “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law” (not just 
>> once, but twice). Trump is emboldened to ignore the rule of law, which 
>> is not unlimited to blatantly unconstitutional acts (He's already done 
>> that with his refusal to honor the spending bills passed by congress - 
>> essentially implementing line-item vetos pafter the fact - clearly 
>> ruled by SCOTUS as unconstitutional numerous times.
>>
>> This is the man(?) that the majority of americans voted for. So you 
>> tell me, do we still have a democracy?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
> 
> In the immortal and prescient words of Selena Zito from September of 2016:
> 
> “When he makes claims like this, the press takes him literally, but not 
> seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”
> 
> She nailed it.

nope. The recent SCOTUS decision that gave trump broad immunity by 
ruling that the president is immune from prosecution for any and all 
official acts committed as president, followed by his more recent X 
postings “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law” (not just 
once, but twice). Trump is emboldened to ignore the rule of law, which
is not unlimited to blatantly unconstitutional acts. He's already done
that with his refusal to honor the spending bills passed by congress - 
essentially implementing line-item vetos after the fact - clearly ruled 
by SCOTUS as unconstitutional numerous times.

> Oh by the way regarding democracy, hell no!  We are a Constitutional 
> Republic not yet subject to mob rule.

Regarding Constitutional republic, hell no! The judicial and legislative 
branches have give tacit approval for the president to ignore the 
constitution. If the president can ignore the constitution, it no longer 
has any purpose.