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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Is Jonathan Wells any type of ID perp to eulogize? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:15:51 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vqs4up$2l63h$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="774"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:nAHnDB4lTkIVAjcK8xPsslO2MEA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id DF85F22978C; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A70D7229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) id 6DADA1C13E3; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60D5C1C052C for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F219622AC for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 14:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/5F219622AC; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 22CDBDC01CA; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:15:54 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:15:53 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/0b8SaH6VnvMFuqvApvgY10695qC7W/zM= Content-Language: en-US DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 6131 https://evolutionnews.org/ For some reason there have been several articles about Jonathan Wells (died Sept 2024) up at the creationist news site of the Discovery Institute in the last week. Isn't Wells exactly the type that you do not want to have associated with the current ID scam? Wells, was never an IDiotic "theorist" like most of the other ID perps. All that he was into was the usual creationist obfuscation and denial (the switch scam). Wells admitted to getting his PhD in order to support his religious beliefs, and he was likely never serious in his scientific endeavors in terms of adding anything to our scientific knowledge. He spent his whole "science" career doing as little as possible to better our understanding of nature. The latest article even has a picture of him giving a scam lecture on his bogus Icons of Evolution creationist denial book. Shouldn't the ID perps be more interested in producing the ID science that they have always lied about having? Wells should be known as being one of the ID perps (Wells and Meyer) that ran the first bait and switch in Ohio in 2002. Wells wrote a report on the first bait and switch claiming that they had decided to do it before giving their ID perp dog and pony show to the Ohio rubes. Even though he knew that the bait and switch was going to go down and that the Ohio rubes were not going to get any ID science to teach in the public schools Wells told the board that the ID science had been developed enough for the issue to be forced into the public school system. https://web.archive.org/web/20110814145400/http:/www.creationists.org/archived-obsolete-pages/2002-03-11-OSBE-wells.html QUOTE: Steve Meyer and I (in consultation with others) had decided ahead of time that we would not push for including intelligent design (ID) in the state science standards, but would propose instead that the standards include language protecting teachers who choose to teach the controversy. END QUOTE: You have to understand that Meyer had been the lead cheerleader for teaching ID in the public schools at this time. He was a coauthor on both the teach ID scam booklet (1999) and the Utah law review article (2000) claiming that it was legal to teach ID in the public schools. When it came time to put up or shut up, Meyer decided to start running a bait and switch scam. From then on ID has only been used as bait to force the rubes into taking a stupid obfuscation and denial switch scam, and the rubes can't mention ID nor creationism ever existed. http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Ohio-debates-evolution-Scientists-accuse-2864344.php QUOTE: With equal fervor, Jonathan Wells, senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, a Seattle organization dedicated to alternative scientific theories, contended that there was enough valid challenge to Darwinian evolution to justify intelligent design's being ordered into the classroom curriculum -- not as a religious doctrine, he maintained, but as a matter of "a growing scientific controversy." END QUOTE: Until the bait and switch started to go down the Discovery Institute had included teaching ID in their Teach the Controversy political ploy. Wells continued supporting that scam even though he knew that the Ohio rubes were never going to get any ID science to teach. Does anyone wonder why none of the ID perps want to remember these Wellsian contributions to the ID bait and switch scam? Ron Okimoto