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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 13:49:37 -0400
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On 3/12/2025 11:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2025 9:36 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 3/12/2025 9:22 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2025 3:19 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 10:20:18 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 9:37 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well... you exhibit a fear of firearms ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. I exhibit distaste for the American fetish for 
>>>>>>>> firearms, and
>>>>>>>> the effect it has on society. And I exhibit scorn for paranoia so
>>>>>>>> severe as to cause a person to _require_ a firearm to do ordinary
>>>>>>>> things like ride a quiet bike path, drive a car, fill a gas 
>>>>>>>> tank, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sympathetic to those controlled by some phobias. Not this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And BTW, it's not just our super-timid tricyclist. One classmate of
>>>>>>>> mine in an adult education class brought his handgun to a class 
>>>>>>>> picnic
>>>>>>>> in the country. Nice guy, but that was crazy paranoia. Another guy,
>>>>>>>> less admirable in general, bragged to me about carrying his handgun
>>>>>>>> into a folk music concert we attended. Absolute stupidity, and 
>>>>>>>> crazy
>>>>>>>> paranoia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That latter guy played guitar, but was so obese that he used a 
>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>> stand to hold his guitar out away from his belly. Maybe his 
>>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>>> shortcomings triggered feelings of great vulnerability, as with Mr.
>>>>>>>> Tricycle? Nonetheless, his risk assessment was off the charts 
>>>>>>>> crazy -
>>>>>>>> as is Mr. Tricycle's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Replace 'firearm' in the above with 'bicycle helmet'.
>>>>>>> Same argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And regarding risk assessment, I'm reasonable certain that this
>>>>>>> shopping  mall in Greenwood Indiana never experienced a deranged 
>>>>>>> madman
>>>>>>> shooting into a crown before, and most probably never will again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, on one fine July day, it happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/hero-armed- citizen- 
>>>>>>> landed-8-
>>>>>>> of-10-shots-at-40-yards-to-stop-mass-shooting-in-15- seconds/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not especially that Mr Dicken was lawfully carrying only days 
>>>>>>> after the
>>>>>>> Indiana statute had changed to allow carry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.s. 8 of ten at 40 feet instantaneously without preparation is
>>>>>>> excellent marksmanship. Not achievable without some diligence and 
>>>>>>> range
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which doesn't bode well for people who carry for personal 
>>>>>> protection and
>>>>>> never take the time and diligence. If there was a law requiring range
>>>>>> time and accuracy to carry a gun, I'd be a lot more confident in the
>>>>>> general public carrying guns. Instead, cases like this are far more
>>>>>> prevalent:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://people.com/calif-toddler-accidentally-shoots- and- kills- 
>>>>>> mother-with-unsecured-gun-police-8759431
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah But, as your reference states the boyfriend committed an illegal
>>>>> act, and was charged, The Florida guy is talking about a legal act.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit of a difference, wouldn't one think?
>>>>
>>>> not much. The gun fetishists (lobby) thinks any restrictions on gun 
>>>> ownership are unconstitutional. In their (small) minds, the 
>>>> boyfriend did nothing wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, there's this:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.fox13news.com/news/parents-4-year-old-boy- who- 
>>>> accidentally-shot-killed-himself-will-not-be- charged- davenport-police
>>>>
>>>> The child found the gun underneath the seat underneath the seat 
>>>> accidentally shot himself. No laws were broken. In floriduh, HB 1087 
>>>> was introduced that would have required owners to lock their 
>>>> firearms in a trunk or glove box when left inside an unoccupied car. 
>>>> It died in committe.
>>>>
>>>> Then there's this:
>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/08/26/us-news/5-year-old-utah- boy- dies- 
>>>> after- shooting-himself-with-parents-gun/
>>>>
>>>> Again, no laws were broken, there is no Utah law against leaving 
>>>> unattended weapons accessible to minors, and also does not require 
>>>> weapons to be secured.
>>>
>>> Your fellow citizens enacted Massachusetts statutes apparently of a 
>>> different nature than in Utah:
>>>
>>> https://www.mass.gov/doc/7630-improper-storage-of-a- firearm-gl- 
>>> c-140- s-131l/download
>>
>> I'm fully aware of current massachusetts firearms laws, thank you, 
>> having completed the state mandated LTC earlier this year (license on 
>> the way).
>>
>>>
>>> Utah may revise theirs (or enforce them more rigorously. I don't 
>>> actually know). Or not.
>>
>> I'm going with 'not'.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I doubt you and I have any disagreement that it was criminal 
>>> negligence in a practical and moral sense.
>> And with no possibility of exacting any sanctions of any types on the 
>> parents, by what motivation is there to hope future gun owners will be 
>> any more responsible?
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christopher-bizilj-died- firing-uzi- 
>> urged-son/story?id=12565132
>>
>> The live-firing of automatic weapons was being supervised by a 15 - 
>> year old, The promotional advertisment for the event said "It's all 
>> legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!!"
>>
>> The parent was not charged, the organizers were acquitted, in gun- 
>> hating liberal massachusetts.
> 
> I didn't know the case but sometimes jurors pause to reflect on the 
> multiple prior felons with stolen firearms threatening, maiming or 
> killing the citizenry who are charged by the District Attorney with 
> disorderly conduct and/or similar lightweight charges. They react in a 
> very human way.
> 
> Is that right? No. Understandable? Yes.

Is the kid's death no problem? Apparently.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski