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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: vaporware Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 11:42:50 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 65 Message-ID: <vqv8vb$3fvb1$1@dont-email.me> References: <xn0p392928tr48s007@reader443.eternal-september.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 19:42:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="31a9d0636b98d59b064816a8b402038d"; logging-data="3669345"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1825IaNzwsyg+pxjTP0KgCIth2rApaQR80=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ypU3AZPIEX3TE+27i+90gzQxcj4= In-Reply-To: <xn0p392928tr48s007@reader443.eternal-september.org> Content-Language: en-CA Bytes: 4192 On 2025-03-13 08:21, badgolferman wrote: > John Gruber is one of the more high-profile Apple commenters, and > generally takes a pretty upbeat view of the company, so it was a big > surprise to see him launch a blistering attack on the iPhone maker. > > Referring to Apple advertising Siri features which don’t yet exist, he > argues that the company is “in disarray if not crisis,” is making > “bullshit” claims, and has “squandered” its reputation with “a fiasco” … > > On Daring Fireball, Gruber says the reality of any product claims can > be judged on a four-point scale: > > - Demonstrated, but nobody allowed to try it for themselves > - Hands-on demos for media in very controlled conditions > - Beta versions anyone can try for themselves > - Shipped features > > He says the level below this – concept videos of features which cannot > even be carefully demonstrated – is just BS. And that’s where Apple is > with the above Siri features. > > There were no demonstrations of any of that. Those features were all at > level 0 on my hierarchy. That level is called vaporware. They were > features Apple said existed, which they claimed would be shipping in > the next year, and which they portrayed, to great effect, in the > signature “Siri, when is my mom’s flight landing?” segment of the WWDC > keynote itself, starting around the 1h:22m mark. Apple was either > unwilling or unable to demonstrate those features in action back in > June, even with Apple product marketing reps performing the demos from > a prepared script using prepared devices […] > > What Apple showed regarding the upcoming “personalized Siri” at WWDC > was not a demo. It was a concept video. Concept videos are bullshit, > and a sign of a company in disarray, if not crisis. > > Gruber argues that if there was any level of reality at all to these > features then the delay announcement would have been the perfect time > to demo the current state of play to some tech writers, to show what is > currently working and what isn’t yet. > > That didn’t happen. If these features exist in any sort of working > state at all, no one outside Apple has vouched for their existence, let > alone for their quality […] > > The fiasco is that Apple pitched a story that wasn’t true, one that > some people within the company surely understood wasn’t true, and they > set a course based on that. > > There are a lot of companies who make obviously BS claims about AI > products, and Gruber said he never expected Apple to be one of them. > While there have been occasional disasters like AirPower, you could > normally trust the company’s claims, he says. But no more. > > But their credibility is now damaged […] Damaged is arguably too > passive. It was squandered. > > https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/13/apple-commenter-john-gruber-launches-blistering-attack-on-rotten-apple-over-siri-vaporware/ I normally like what Mr. Gruber writes very much... ....but this is more than a little bit hyperbolic. Apple screwed up, sure. He's reading far too much into it.