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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Dead Vermont cyclist
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 12:04:25 -0500
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On 3/14/2025 10:44 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/13/2025 10:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 21:15:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/13/2025 5:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if the court would suspend his drivers 
>>>> license and
>>>> give him a desk job.  Have him drive to work on a 
>>>> bicycle and see how
>>>> long he survives.  If that's too harsh, maybe put him on 
>>>> a freeway
>>>> debris cleanup crew.  The punishment should fit the crime.
>>>
>>> As I've said before, he should never drive again.
>>
>> Good thinking.  Let's convert the perpetrator into yet 
>> another victim.
>> The state can support him because he can't get a job 
>> because he can't
>> drive a car.  Never mind the victims family.
>>
>> Here's the way we handle accidental traffic deaths in my 
>> town:
>> "Driver who hit and killed pedestrian lambasts Caltrans"
>> <https://pressbanner.com/driver-who-hit-and-killed- 
>> pedestrian-lambasts-caltrans/>
>>
>> Six years later, Jeremy has a drivers license, but can't 
>> afford an
>> automobile, insurance, gas, maintenance, etc.  Without 
>> insurance, he
>> doesn't drive.  Most of the time, he rides the bus.  The 
>> part about
>> smoking marijuana to avoid pain pills is quite real.  He 
>> had back
>> surgery about a year previously.
>>
>> The area where Josh was killed is unchanged and still 
>> constitutes a
>> traffic hazard for cars exiting the adjacent gas station, 
>> pedestrians,
>> cyclists, and critters.
>> <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/ 
>> Felton%20traffic.jpg>
> 
> Nope, I'm not sympathetic. What rule could be more 
> fundamental than "Don't hit someone walking (or bicycling) 
> with your car"?
> 
> And if killing someone with your car isn't sufficient for 
> forbidding future driving, what would be?
> 
> Is the permission to drive really more important than a 
> person's life?
> 

As in so many things, actual practice differs from theory.

Reckless operation of vehicle example:

https://www.kqed.org/news/107079/cyclist-who-killed-pedestrian-in-sf-crosswalk-sentenced

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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