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From: Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Most disappointing films.
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 21:31:58 +0000
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On 05/03/2025 16:46, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
>>>> D  <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and
>>>>>> to my
>>>>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) The Return of the Jedi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) Dune (Lynch version).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these cases
>>>>>> I was
>>>>>> expecting something better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course other people may have different lists.  And I did like Dune
>>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it
>>>>> since, so
>>>>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
>>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and not
>>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =(
>>>>
>>>> Rogue One is pretty good.
>>>
>>> Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe
>>> Rogue one is too?
>>>
>>>> I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
>>>> actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
>>>> her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
>>>> possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
>>>> some mojo that would be revealed later.  TMF me.)
>>
>> "Rogue One" is awesome.  It is based on the single line in the Star Wars
>> IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this
>> information.".
> 
> /A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
> That line was not in it.
> 
> I certainly do remember it. I suspect I will hear it again when I
> watch /The Return of the Jedi/ within the next week or so. In that
> case, it refers to the information that the Emperor is residing on the
> new Death Star and perhaps also the misinformation that that Death
> Star is not operational.
> 
> Which doesn't prevent someone involved in making /Rogue One/ from
> claiming that they were basing it on that line. It would, however,
> show why I don't put a lot of stock in "making of" documentaries,
> since it would be clearly wrong.
> 
> I saw /The Empire Strikes Back/ last night. The two-seater aircraft
> (pilot and gunner, back to back) used to attack Imperial Walkers
> towards the start of the film are "Rogue 2", Rogue 3", and Rogue 4",
> per the credits not just on IMDb but shown on the film itself --
> which, BTW, is the original unaltered LD version Lucas grudgingly
> allowed to be put out on an extras disk. Hey, at least it letterboxed!
> No "Rogue 1" is listed, but then, that call sign was no doubt retired
> after the events in /Rogue One/.

I think it may be that #1 is (1) "Rogue Leader"
and (2) a named character.  I think Luke is in
that fight but in an X-Wing?