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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: bike path news
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 23:03:45 -0400
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On 3/14/2025 4:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:33:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 12:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/14/2025 9:33 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 08:30:31 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/2025 7:20 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/12/2025 5:32 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:19:11 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 10:20:18 -0400, Zen Cycle
>>>>>>>>> <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2025 8:57 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 10:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 9:37 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well... you exhibit a fear of firearms ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. I exhibit distaste for the American fetish
>>>>>>>>>>>> for firearms, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect it has on society. And I exhibit scorn for
>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia so
>>>>>>>>>>>> severe as to cause a person to _require_ a firearm to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>>> things like ride a quiet bike path, drive a car, fill
>>>>>>>>>>>> a gas tank, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sympathetic to those controlled by some phobias.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not this one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And BTW, it's not just our super-timid tricyclist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One classmate of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mine in an adult education class brought his handgun
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a class picnic
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the country. Nice guy, but that was crazy
>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia. Another guy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> less admirable in general, bragged to me about
>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying his handgun
>>>>>>>>>>>> into a folk music concert we attended. Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>> stupidity, and crazy
>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That latter guy played guitar, but was so obese that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he used a special
>>>>>>>>>>>> stand to hold his guitar out away from his belly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe his physical
>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcomings triggered feelings of great
>>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerability, as with Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tricycle? Nonetheless, his risk assessment was off
>>>>>>>>>>>> the charts crazy -
>>>>>>>>>>>> as is Mr. Tricycle's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Replace 'firearm' in the above with 'bicycle helmet'.
>>>>>>>>>>> Same argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And regarding risk assessment, I'm reasonable certain
>>>>>>>>>>> that this
>>>>>>>>>>> shopping  mall in Greenwood Indiana never experienced
>>>>>>>>>>> a deranged madman
>>>>>>>>>>> shooting into a crown before, and most probably never
>>>>>>>>>>> will again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, on one fine July day, it happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/07/hero-armed-
>>>>>>>>>>> citizen-landed-8-
>>>>>>>>>>> of-10-shots-at-40-yards-to-stop-mass-shooting-in-15-
>>>>>>>>>>> seconds/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not especially that Mr Dicken was lawfully carrying
>>>>>>>>>>> only days after the
>>>>>>>>>>> Indiana statute had changed to allow carry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> p.s. 8 of ten at 40 feet instantaneously without
>>>>>>>>>>> preparation is
>>>>>>>>>>> excellent marksmanship. Not achievable without some
>>>>>>>>>>> diligence and range
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't bode well for people who carry for
>>>>>>>>>> personal protection and
>>>>>>>>>> never take the time and diligence. If there was a law
>>>>>>>>>> requiring range
>>>>>>>>>> time and accuracy to carry a gun, I'd be a lot more
>>>>>>>>>> confident in the
>>>>>>>>>> general public carrying guns. Instead, cases like this
>>>>>>>>>> are far more
>>>>>>>>>> prevalent:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://people.com/calif-toddler-accidentally-shoots-
>>>>>>>>>> and-kills-mother-with-unsecured-gun-police-8759431
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah But, as your reference states the boyfriend committed
>>>>>>>>> an illegal
>>>>>>>>> act, and was charged, The Florida guy is talking about a
>>>>>>>>> legal act.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A bit of a difference, wouldn't one think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not much. The gun fetishists (lobby) thinks any
>>>>>>>> restrictions on gun
>>>>>>>> ownership are unconstitutional. In their (small) minds,
>>>>>>>> the boyfriend
>>>>>>>> did nothing wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re restrictions on gun ownership???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first piece of national gun control legislation was
>>>>>>> passed on June
>>>>>>> 26, 1934. The National Firearms Act (NFA)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is not germane to the point that the gun fetishists
>>>>>> (lobby) think any restrictions on gun ownership are
>>>>>> unconstitutional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With good reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the actual written text doesn't comport with the
>>>>> many and various National Firearms Acts.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, full automatic weapons should be illegal or heavily
>>>> controlled as they currently are, but the problem is that US
>>>> Constitution says otherwise.  There's also a problem with trying to
>>>> modify the 2nd Amendment in that there's never going to be an
>>>> agreement on how to modify it.
>>>>
>>>> I guess we'll just have to live with unconstitutional laws.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>
>>> Yes, the inherent conflict is and will remain unresolved. As
>>> in so many Constitutional questions (I'm thinking of the
>>> utter abuse of the Commerce Clause after FDR).
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, theory and actual enforcement do vary:
>>>
>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2025/03/man-on-pretrial-release-for-machine-gun-case-shot-his-girlfriend-during-an-argument-over-weed-prosecutors.html
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> Reality runs up your spine
>> andthe peices finally fit
>> - Sir Elton
> 
> Good grief...  spell check much?
> 
> 
> Reality runs up your spine
> andthe peices finally fit
> - Sir Elton

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