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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Dead Vermont cyclist
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:02:49 -0400
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On 3/15/2025 9:02 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 15 Mar 2025 10:03:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 22:47:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/14/2025 4:37 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:10:40 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 1:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 11:44:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, I'm not sympathetic. What rule could be more fundamental than
>>>>>>>>> "Don't hit someone walking (or bicycling) with your car"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if killing someone with your car isn't sufficient for forbidding
>>>>>>>>> future driving, what would be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is the permission to drive really more important than a person's life?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
>>>>>>>> car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What nonsense!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, go ahead and do it....
>>>>>
>>>>> I do it all the time. I did it many times on today's ride, as usual. I'm
>>>>> not nearly as fearful or as ignorant of the law as you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man up, if you can.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure that if I ride into the path of fast moving vehicles
>>>> and get hit, it'd be my own fault.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is world of difference between riding on a road, as one should be
>>> able to so, and other users of the road as every have to adjust to others
>>> using the road, back in wales I can encounter all manner of vehicles and
>>> animals!
>>>
>>> Even in london and areas around get
>>> pedestrians/scooters/bikes/horses/motorbikes/milk
>>> floats/vans/buses/lorries.
>>>
>>> All of which will use the roads in different ways, unless it’s a motorway
>>> where all traffic is broadly traveling same speeds.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> Of course I'm not arguing against riding on streets and roads. I do it
>> regularly. Buit just like in a vehicle, moving into the path of a
>> faster moving vehicle might not be a good idea.
>>
>>   
>> At 30 mph you need roughly 120 feet to come to a complete stop (65
>> feet to react and 55 feet to brake) in good conditions.
>>   
>> At 60 mph you need roughly 360 feet to come to a complete stop (130
>> feet to react and 190 feet to brake) in good conditions.
>>
>> https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/reaction-braking-stopping-distance
>>
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>>
> 
> Don’t think Frank would have issue with that, only pushback I guess being
> folks speeding or not driving to the conditions, but in general do need to
> take into account oncoming traffic and that you have a gap to pull
> into/cross safely.
Let's please recall that Mr. Tricycle Rider's original statement was 
"Isn't there a law against riding your bicycle in the path of a moving
car?"

Note he did NOT say "pull out suddenly into the path of a moving car." 
He may now be pretending he said that, or he may have been thinking that 
while unable to express himself correctly. But his original statement 
applied to any bicyclist riding in a normal position on a normal road 
with a moving car somewhere behind him.

And Mr. Tricycle may indeed +be terrified of that! He did say, long ago, 
that "Nothing can make [it] safe..." Which is why he rides almost 
entirely back and forth on a flat Florida bike path. (Boring!)

I think everyone else here rides on normal roads almost all the time, 
with no great fears.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski