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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Truthmaker Maximalism Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 15:26:10 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <vr4np2$7oho$1@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqs2n8$2knng$1@dont-email.me> <5429f6c8b8a8a79e06b4aeefe677cc54a2a636bf@i2pn2.org> <vqt9jp$2spcd$6@dont-email.me> <vqtag4$2t2hb$2@dont-email.me> <vqtgl0$2u7fo$1@dont-email.me> <924e22fc46d629b311b16a954dd0bed980a0a094@i2pn2.org> <vqvg7s$3s1qt$3@dont-email.me> <vqvgb4$3kfru$5@dont-email.me> <vqvi94$3tk5h$1@dont-email.me> <vr01sq$9741$1@dont-email.me> <vr17h1$18je3$1@dont-email.me> <vr1err$1ev1a$2@dont-email.me> <0c100c3673494d00bdc02acd44b2d5b930bd2212.camel@gmail.com> <vr1ja0$1ev1a$9@dont-email.me> <6c64432865001be54d691f8ef0cc89ddc71d18b6.camel@gmail.com> <vr1lnu$1ev1a$12@dont-email.me> <86fbc35155fbcb3e88cf0dd069d16d61e16bcf4e.camel@gmail.com> <vr1oev$1ev1a$15@dont-email.me> <vr1qu3$1p3ti$4@dont-email.me> <vr2e2p$25gpq$7@dont-email.me> <4ca17c135da8b9594718e48fd1506c2b7b74c70f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 21:26:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="442a9ec1ae8b0ed609e933f76503e6e9"; logging-data="254520"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/nAJVttu0j4pgHFUrJqHlF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WBnfm8GcrT55jhcWncFD8qkr5ac= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250315-4, 3/15/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <4ca17c135da8b9594718e48fd1506c2b7b74c70f@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4164 On 3/15/2025 5:54 AM, joes wrote: > Am Fri, 14 Mar 2025 18:28:24 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/14/2025 1:01 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/14/2025 1:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/14/2025 11:58 AM, wij wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 2025-03-14 at 11:33 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/14/2025 11:01 AM, wij wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 2025-03-14 at 10:51 -0500, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/14/2025 10:04 AM, wij wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2025-03-14 at 09:35 -0500, olcott wrote: > >>>>>>> Are you solving The Halting Problem or not? Yes or No. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I have only correctly refuted the conventional halting problem >>>>>> proof. Actually solving the halting problem requires a program that >>>>>> is ALL KNOWING thus God like. >>>>> >>>>> I (GUR) had told you God cannot solve HP neither (maybe because the >>>>> problem is limited in a box) >>>>> >>>> When we define the HP as having H return a value corresponding to the >>>> halting behavior of input D and input D can actually does the opposite >>>> of whatever value that H returns, then we have boxed ourselves in to a >>>> problem having no solution. >>>> >>> And that is EXACTLY what the halting problem is about: it is not >>> possible to construct an H where H(X,Y) reports whether X(Y) halts when >>> executed directly. >>> A problem that you have now EXPLICITLY agreed is unsolvable. So... >>> >> Likewise: >> What time is it (yes or no)? equally has no solution. >> That BOGUS problem instances have no solution places no actual limit on >> anything. > It places a limit on deciding termination. > In the same way that random gibberish X = "jsdrgg4598w&*T*^&%#4rjbkbdsvd" places a limit on a True(X) predicate. >> I coined the term "incorrect question" years ago. >> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.lang/c/lSdYexJ0ozo/m/aDN9-TYLHwIJ > (x) doubt -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer