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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Paraphrase of Sipser's agreement Followup-To: comp.theory Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 20:28:27 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <vr59fr$m5ov$4@dont-email.me> References: <vqntaq$1jut5$1@dont-email.me> <vqp388$1tvqa$1@dont-email.me> <vqpdv9$202b2$2@dont-email.me> <vqperb$20c9k$2@dont-email.me> <E6mcnWv3nMa66036nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqpv2u$23vhr$1@dont-email.me> <Ny-dnRlMHcVpA036nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqrjrn$2h4l2$1@dont-email.me> <nESdnUfJxdhoTkz6nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <vqsl7c$2ok91$1@dont-email.me> <f7b6995ae3e79db00fa5070d9be8126b7ea5ae78@i2pn2.org> <vqt99l$2spcd$5@dont-email.me> <vqu84v$363tm$1@dont-email.me> <vqvgpn$3s1qt$4@dont-email.me> <vr0rcu$10780$1@dont-email.me> <vr1f32$1ev1a$4@dont-email.me> <vr3jpq$3abnf$1@dont-email.me> <vr4rb6$bkso$1@dont-email.me> <vr4vbf$ed3o$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 02:28:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="33de22785a11a76beb5897cc3eba332a"; logging-data="726815"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Gjs04HMWJlX+iqIwJauzA" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0hOtvBcy/L6hmYQpnl2oAYLvc+M= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vr4vbf$ed3o$3@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250315-4, 3/15/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3278 On 3/15/2025 5:35 PM, dbush wrote: > On 3/15/2025 5:27 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> > > But he didn't agree to what you think he did: > > THIS IS EXACTLY AND PRECISELY WHAT I THINK HE DID AGREE TO (It took me years to form this precise paraphrase) <Accurate Paraphrase> If emulating termination analyzer H emulates its input finite string D of x86 machine language instructions according to the semantics of the x86 programming language until H correctly determines that this emulated D cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction in any finite number of correctly emulated steps then H can abort its emulation of input D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. </Accurate Paraphrase> -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer