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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Pro Plyd <invalide@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: New support for Miller-Urey - water droplets can generate microlightning Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:12:25 -0600 Organization: Amateur Plyd Lines: 64 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vraoav$1h4kn$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="8526"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:FAJdwWStZ87c4ciHsQfBsQyTOvg= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C0F1222978C; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:12:51 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82330229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:12:49 -0400 (EDT) id 5DB791C08F9; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 03:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 540D41C02F6 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 03:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7735F622AE for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 03:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/7735F622AE; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=invalid.invalid id 07D48DC01CB; Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:12:38 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:12:38 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+FmNrHrFY67PphhBDuUWP2ozx60lT03VY= X-Mozilla-News-Host: snews://news.eternal-september.org:563 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org This is a HUGE shot in the arm for M-U... and exo biology https://scitechdaily.com/tiny-sparks-big-discovery-could-water-droplets-have-created-life/ MARCH 14, 2025 Life may not have started with a dramatic lightning bolt striking the ocean. Instead, tiny “microlightning” sparks generated by water droplets from crashing waves and waterfalls may have played a key role. New research from Stanford University reveals that when water is sprayed into a mixture of gases resembling Earth’s early atmosphere, it can produce organic molecules containing carbon-nitrogen bonds. These molecules include uracil, a fundamental component of DNA and RNA. Published today (March 14) in Science Advances, the study provides fresh support for the long-debated Miller-Urey hypothesis, which suggests that life began with a lightning strike. This idea originated from a 1952 experiment demonstrating that organic compounds could form when electricity interacted with water and inorganic gases. However, the latest findings suggest that electricity wasn’t necessarily required. The researchers discovered that water droplets naturally generate tiny electrical charges, creating the same organic molecules without the need for an external energy source. “Microelectric discharges between oppositely charged water microdroplets make all the organic molecules observed previously in the Miller-Urey experiment, and we propose that this is a new mechanism for the prebiotic synthesis of molecules that constitute the building blocks of life,” said senior author Richard Zare, the Marguerite Blake Wilbur Professor of Natural Science and professor of chemistry in Stanford’s School of Humanities and Sciences. .... How these biological components came about has long puzzled scientists, and the Miller-Urey experiment provided one possible explanation: that lightning striking into the ocean and interacting with early planet gases like methane, ammonia, and hydrogen could create these organic molecules. Critics of that theory have pointed out that lightning is too infrequent and the ocean too large and dispersed for this to be a realistic cause. ....