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From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de>
Newsgroups: sci.math
Subject: Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers"
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 11:07:22 +0100
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On 18.03.2025 10:56, FromTheRafters wrote:
> on 3/18/2025, WM supposed :

>> The set is ordered and if it is actually infinite, then all its 
>> elements are there and  do not appear from nothing but then it has a 
>> greatest element.
> 
> Nope, it is a limit ordinal.

All elements of ℕ are there. That is the assumption. If no greatest can 
be identified, then the reason are dark numbers. Otherwise only 
potential infinity could solve the dilemma.

Regards, WM