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From: DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Evolutionary creationism
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On 2025-03-18 3:13 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> [giant snip]
> 
> Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if
> you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his
> arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3
> times longer than it needs to be :(
> 
>>>>
>>>> QUOTE:
>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in
>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.
>>>> END QUOTE:
>>>
>>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.
>>>    [another giant snip]
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively
>> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"
>> and "actively".
> 
> I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5
> grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to
> actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do
> not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions
> that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will
> be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and
> support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)
> give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is
> available when needed, and is given unconditionally.
> 
> That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt
> one.
>   
> 
I'm having difficulty reconciling that view with a purported omniscient 
entity.

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Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)