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Subject: Re: Normalizing hatred
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 13:37:39 -0400
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On 2025-03-18 12:22 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-18 2:38 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> 
>>> An Egyptian woman who grew up in Gaza explains how children are taught.
> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ja85V7Ovw
> 
>> Good find, Adam! She knocked it out of the park so hard that it finally
>> landed two towns over!
> 
> I'd still like to hear a more neutral analysis.
> 
> I'm always concerned about my own confirmation bias.
> 
That's a wise concern and we all need to watch out for that but I'm 
trying to imagine how you could find a more neutral analysis.

ANYBODY from the Middle East of any faith who expresses an opinion can 
be dismissed as being biased for or against the other side. Anybody NOT 
from the region can be dismissed as not having intimate knowledge of 
day-to-day life there and therefore lacking all the insight that comes 
from intimate familiarity.

> A friend tells me that there is historical evidence of Nazis sharing
> successful methods of radicalizing the population with Arabs, which is
> what led to all this crap in the 1940s that continues to this day.
> 
I know the Nazis had a relationship with the Grand Mufti at the time and 
that this relationship resulted in some Arabs taking the German side in 
the war but I don't know any more than that. It would be interesting to 
know how that relationship progressed.

>> If more people heard her message, maybe the truth would finally get a
>> chance to make an impression on all the
>> anti-semites/anti-Zionist/"progressives". Maybe the Palestinians
>> themselves would even be able to shake themselves free of their own
>> rabid hatred....
> 
> I guess. I doubt it makes a damn bit of difference what idiots in other
> countries believe, and I don't see how a liberal education system could
> be imposed from outside. Best we can hope for is that UNRWA no longer
> runs radicalization, I mean education for Palestinian children.

Yes, the secret is the children. Many ideologies know this at heart, 
whether they are the Jesuits, the Communists, the Nazis: "give me the 
child and I'll give you the man", to use the Jesuit formulation.

If we can impose a genuinely hate-free education system on them, there 
is at least a chance that future generations will grow up with a 
possibility of being compassionate people instead of mere hate-machines. 
Of course imposing such a school system is inevitably going to face 
strong resistance: it would clearly be much better if the Palestinians 
CHOSE to have such a system themselves but they seem too caught up in 
their own hate to make that choice so an imposed system is likely the 
best we can hope for.

Even then, it would be far from foolproof as a solution. However decent 
the school system and its values, children are inevitably going to be 
influenced by the adults around them who will have grown up in the UNRWA 
schools. Those adults will surely perpetuate their own hate on the young 
at home, in the mosques, and everywhere else.

But there is hope. After all, the Germans are absolutely NOT Nazis any 
more and haven't been in a long time, even if some of the people raised 
as Nazis are still among us: the Nazis were sidelined and other views 
became the mainstream. Ditto for Japan which clearly was changed from 
the course they were on in WW2. We need to learn from what the Allies 
did after WW2 in Japan and Germany to change the attitudes of the Axis 
countries. If we can apply those lessons again, maybe the Palestinians 
can be reformed....


-- 
Rhino