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From: Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
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Subject: Re: bicycle vs motor scooter
Date: 10 Mar 2025 19:07:11 GMT
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Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2025 16:39:37 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On 10 Mar 2025 14:01:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tampa Bicyclist Killed In Collision With Motorized Scooter On Dale
>>>>> Mabry Highway
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.tampafp.com/tampa-bicyclist-killed-in-collision-with-motorized-scooter-on-dale-mabry-highway/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Early Saturday night on a very busy multilane highway lined with strip
>>>>> malls. What could go wrong?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Roads really should be useable for all traffic, if it?s designed for one
>>>> type of vehicle, I?m guessing that folks don?t keep to the 45/50MPH as US
>>>> has so few speed cameras, and well big road lots of lanes, it will feel
>>>> safe to drive quite a lot faster.
>>>> 
>>>> Is a road like that near me minus the strip malls, that used to have speed
>>>> cameras ie fixed ones, though that just ment folks panic braked at them, so
>>>> average speed cameras have been installed which have calmed it down, and
>>>> it?s a much more pleasant road to drive on now.
>>>> 
>>>> Would appear that this is some E scooter than has run into the back of
>>>> bike, and since the cyclist is dead only have her word on it, though really
>>>> if you run into the back of someone very difficult to make any defence of
>>>> your driving/riding.
>>>> 
>>>> I?d take a stab and suggest she wasn?t traveling at 20mph the speed limit
>>>> for Florida I?m also guessing they aren?t physically limited to that.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>>> "20mph the speed limit for Florida?????"  No such thing on streets and
>>> roads.
>>> 
>>> In suspect the speed limit on that section of Dale Mabry is 50 MPH. I
>>> suspect also, the average driving speed is much faster. Been a while
>>> since I was there. Many restaurants and strip malls with vehicles
>>> entering and leaving and jockeying for lanes changes.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>> 
>> 
>> Was a E Scooter crashing into a bike, no car etc involved if you read the
>> article.
>> 
>> So the speed limit wouldn’t be the posted limit on the roads but the
>> maximum that a e-scooter in Florida is supposed to do, which apparently is
>> 20mph, which personally I feel is touch high for any of these active travel
>> type things ie something that might be expected legally or otherwise to be
>> used on pavement or other shared spaces and so on.
>> 
>> Roger Merriman
> 
> It all depends on the nature of the scooter. It's not a speed limit,
> but the power must be shut off when it reaches a certain speed. For
> some scooters, that's 28 MPH and for others, it's 30. If a person can
> pedal it at 30+  MPH, there's no law against it.
> 
> I didn't see what type of scooter was in that cite.
> 
Article says motorised scooter which, seems to be what Florida legislation
calls the E scooters.

<https://www.flhsmv.gov/driver-licenses-id-cards/motorcycle-rider-education-endorsements/motorcycle-motor-scooter-moped-and-motorized-scooter/#:~:text=“Motorized%20Scooter”%20per%20section%20316.003,per%20hour%20on%20level%20ground.>

Ie not a E bike or moped but one of the powered Scooters you stand on
holding the bars like the kids toys, they are not legal to use in UK still
which is a bit daft as well they are fairly common to see.

And as ever once the hype dies down they are generally a non issue.
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman
> 

Roger Merriman