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From: DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Evolutionary creationism
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 22:30:41 -0500
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On 2025-03-18 12:16 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 09:26:24 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-03-18 3:13 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:31:30 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-03-17 8:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 08:42:49 -0500, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> [giant snip]
>>>
>>> Thank you for that. I had to stop snipping replies to Ron because if
>>> you snip anything at all, he claims you were running from his
>>> arguments and reposts the same stuff so you end up with a post 2 or 3
>>> times longer than it needs to be :(
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> QUOTE:
>>>>>> We believe that God acts purposefully in creation, just as he does in
>>>>>> our lives, and that he continues to actively uphold and sustain creation.
>>>>>> END QUOTE:
>>>>>
>>>>> And again, nothing there about God tweaking life the way Behe claims.
>>>>>     [another giant snip]
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, what do you think the phrase "he continues to actively
>>>> uphold and sustain creation." mean? I mean, in particular "continues"
>>>> and "actively".
>>>
>>> I see this as a background thing, not a direct process. I have 5
>>> grown-up children, all with children of their own. I continue to
>>> actively uphold and sustain them in whatever way they need but I do
>>> not *interfere* in their lives. If, for example, they make decisions
>>> that I don't agree with, I *might* offer an opinion if I think it will
>>> be welcome but the decision is entirely theirs and I fully accept and
>>> support whatever they do decide. The help and support I (and my wife)
>>> give them is on request, not pushed on them, though they know it is
>>> available when needed, and is given unconditionally.
>>>
>>> That's why I think the analogy of God as father is a particularly apt
>>> one.
>>>    
>>>
>> I'm having difficulty reconciling that view with a purported omniscient
>> entity.
>>
> 
> I'm struggling to grasp what difficulty you have, can you elaborate?
> 
IMHO, asked for tweaking is still tweaking and an omniscient tweaker is 
likely doing miracles.

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Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)