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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:19:21 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vrf5bp$1gcun$1@dont-email.me> References: <vqrbtd$1chb7$2@solani.org> <vqv62q$18mn$2@news.muc.de> <vr169k$18k4i$1@dont-email.me> <vr1bav$p45$1@news.muc.de> <vr1e8i$1er2v$1@dont-email.me> <vr1hig$5qt$1@news.muc.de> <vr29g3$23fi7$3@dont-email.me> <vr2d3k$jli$1@news.muc.de> <vr3fbu$1gbs1$3@solani.org> <vr3pvd$20r1$1@news.muc.de> <vr4cgl$3qbcs$3@dont-email.me> <vr6fgl$1uok$1@news.muc.de> <vr6tit$21dt9$1@dont-email.me> <0dcd52f8-c0ca-4e41-bb47-3a4e689f103e@att.net> <vr75vb$2a6rk$1@dont-email.me> <c60b35cb-33a8-40a7-ad7a-4c5841a6f454@att.net> <vr78ng$2a6rj$3@dont-email.me> <578344c0-4d58-4dcb-8a89-988e3e60f9d7@att.net> <vr7ivf$2jj8r$3@dont-email.me> <3a9f34ab-c270-4dfc-b23c-14741b68875b@att.net> <vr8a53$3dsos$1@dont-email.me> <3af4ba5e-63c6-4145-966c-67c832e127bc@att.net> <vr9him$bvhg$1@dont-email.me> <fc1d5825-1d93-4ac8-a6e4-e513cfce213a@att.net> <vrbcnf$23ker$2@dont-email.me> <ae5edd89-d5da-4ff4-a723-485cafa92582@att.net> <vrc8n0$2og7i$2@dont-email.me> <0b8644b2-7027-420e-b187-8214daaf9e3b@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:19:22 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6f9f26c81ac23d253c44dec1578e707c"; logging-data="1586135"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/fJ0Zsc/XYRbyYG2S0iyjJswvY5GhXluE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:biXrfnkX+JdJqnZTQc9pTMFj3TM= In-Reply-To: <0b8644b2-7027-420e-b187-8214daaf9e3b@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3473 On 19.03.2025 16:18, Jim Burns wrote: > On 3/18/2025 12:58 PM, WM wrote: > ⎛ Bob is in.matrix before.swaps, but > ⎝ Bob is NOT in.matrix after.swaps. Then he must have left by a swap or by a miracle of matheology. I do not accept the latter, ad I can prove that the former is in contradiction to logic.> >>> After all the swaps, >>> without ever disappearing into >>> anywhere other than a finitec set, >>> Bob disappears out of all finite sets. >> >> No, that is impossible. > > Then there are subsets larger than their sets. No, there are dark numbers. That is enough. > >> If there is an "after all swaps", >> then all O have settled within the matrix. > > That matrix, > with rows and columns indexed by > the emptiest inductive set, > after all the swaps, > that matrix doesn't hold any O. That is wrong because O cannot get lost. The O remain but at dark places. > > ⎛ Assume otherwise. > ⎜ Assume that it's after all swaps, > ⎜ and O is in cell <k,1> That's the first mistake. All O's are in dark cells which cannot be distinguished. >>> After all the swaps, >>> Bob is lost from all finite indices. >> >> No, that is impossible. >> Here lies your mistake. >> The matrix has no drain! > > If the set of > all set.sizes needing a drain > is a set of a size needing a drain, > then > that set has subsets larger than it, the set. > That is impossible. Therefore dark numbers must be accepted. Regards, WM