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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Auto accident versus collision; I was wrong Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 19:28:33 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: <vrf5t1$1ggmv$4@dont-email.me> References: <vreoqg$15s73$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:28:34 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c8a39910e75bc3addc436d33bad991df"; logging-data="1589983"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19hcMse6M+3wLou3wuoEnEY" User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:14B+NIDiCBW9ngLPbkfxHxhUX6o= On Mar 19, 2025 at 8:45:20 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: > The law is entirely semantics. Perhaps ordinary people (who don't watch > fictional lawyers on tv and become legal experts like me) don't > appreciate this, but a state legislature that employs professionals who > are specifically experts in legal language and statutory construction > fail to grasp the consequence of a semantic change? > > In this video, Steve Lehto discusses the unintended consequence of > substituting "collision" for "accident" when Hawaii amended a law. Years > ago, I was one of those people who stopped using the word "accident", > influenced by others who wanted newspaper reporters and others in the > media to stop reporting such incidents as "accidents" because the reader > or listener would assume that the incident was unavoidable. > > But that's not what "accident" means. Neither in dictionary definitions > nor statutory language has it meant "unavoidable" in which there is no > fault to find. Instead, it means that the party at fault for the > incident had not committed an intentional act. > > "Accident", therefore, means "without intent" not "without fault". > > To the uninformed reader or listener, as "crash" or "collision" is just > a factual statement without finding of fault and without proving intent, > "unavoidable" isn't incorrectly assumed. The year I joined the USSS, they announced a policy change with regard to firearms. All mentions of 'accidental discharge' of a firearm were replaced with 'negligent discharge'. Because there's no way a gun can just go off accidentally. It's physically impossible. The only way a gun goes off unintended is through negligence. It puts the responsibility for the discharge squarely on the person holding the gun. > Lehto went off on a bit of an incorrect tangent about why people were > pushing for the word "accident" not to be used. > > There are unintended consequences of changing statutory language because > "feelings". Here's an example: > > In Honolulu, Five-Oh was chasing another motorist without lights and > sirens. The driver of the vehicle being chased flipped the vehicle. > People inside the vehicle were seriously injured. > > The cop driving was charged with a felony based on colliding with the > vehicle being chased, because language in the statute had been changed > from "accident" to "collision". Now, the state may have been able to > prove that the cop was at fault for causing an accident because of the > unsafe manner of pursuit and that conduct during pursuit was criminally > negligent or reckless. But was the cop at fault for causing a collision? > > If in fact the vehicles had not collided, then the change in statutory > language prevents charges in which an accident occurred that was not the > result of a collision. > > Oops. > > Here's the video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATTJtvXbeU