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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:21:03 +0000
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On 20/03/2025 09:36, c186282 wrote:
> On 3/18/25 12:58 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 18/03/2025 12:12, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 3/18/25 6:54 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2025 08:49, c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 3/17/25 5:57 PM, John Ames wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:42:23 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fun fact: “calque” is a loanword, lifted whole from the French. And
>>>>>>> “loanword” is a calque, translated from the corresponding German
>>>>>>> term, “Lehnwort”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, that's marvelous XD
>>>>>
>>>>>    "English" is a 'pigeon' ... a glomming-together of
>>>>>    languages from everybody who ever invaded or went
>>>>>    to war with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>    That makes it weird and difficult - but also very
>>>>>    versatile.
>>>>>
>>>>>    There was a time in the 80s where the "Pure French"
>>>>>    movement insisted on local lang for everything. You
>>>>>    may have to look it up, but their term for "satellite"
>>>>>    was like a full sentence long  :-)
>>>>>
>>>> In Welsh, if your tyres are flat you 'put wind in your wheels'
>>>> There is no word for screwdriver in Zulu.
>>>
>>>    "Wind in the wheels" has a romantic sound ... it
>>>    evokes both the physical AND 'travel'.
>>>
>>>    Now how DO you ask a Zulu to hand you a screwdriver ??? :-)
> 
>> You say 'hand me a screwdriver'
> 
> 
>    And he says "WHAT ???"   :-)

He says 'Sure baas!'

Any Zulu in a commercial working environment knows English or he doesn't 
get a job. He used to be required to know Afrikaans as well, but I think 
that's gone by the way.

The point is you can legislate about dying languages all you want,m but 
they are dying for a reason.

In India there are many languages, but everyone sort of speaks English. 
Or has impoted lots of English words and phrases.

In S Africa - the ,mots mixed nation country I know of, you will find 
English, Afrikaans, Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa, Tswana,Portugese, French, Hindi, 
Tamil, German, and many other languages.

But in the townships they speak a hybrid.
Tsosti-Taal.

Which is something like 'bad boy speak'

Tsotsi is Sotho. Taal is Afrikaans

The language has bits of everything.


There are other languages developing in South Africa as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbN0hv7T_hs

We should remember that English itself was originally a language that 
almost everyone spoke instead of their native dialects.
It is and always has been a mongrel


-- 
It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house 
for the voice of the kingdom.

Jonathan Swift