Deutsch   English   Français   Italiano  
<vrhaca$3ch73$1@dont-email.me>

View for Bookmarking (what is this?)
Look up another Usenet article

Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de>
Newsgroups: sci.math
Subject: Re: The non-existence of "dark numbers"
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:57:15 +0100
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 30
Message-ID: <vrhaca$3ch73$1@dont-email.me>
References: <vqrbtd$1chb7$2@solani.org> <vr1hig$5qt$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr29g3$23fi7$3@dont-email.me> <vr2d3k$jli$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr3fbu$1gbs1$3@solani.org> <vr3pvd$20r1$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr4cgl$3qbcs$3@dont-email.me> <vr6fgl$1uok$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr6tit$21dt9$1@dont-email.me> <vr71ea$qjf$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr774e$2a6rj$2@dont-email.me> <vr7b30$qjf$2@news.muc.de>
 <vr7jql$2jj8r$4@dont-email.me> <vr92l8$1pc1$1@news.muc.de>
 <vr9gla$bvhh$1@dont-email.me> <vrbn3b$2d16$1@news.muc.de>
 <vrc3ps$2og7j$1@dont-email.me> <vrc64d$219n$1@news.muc.de>
 <vrc70k$2og7j$5@dont-email.me>
 <d7b52b84106c40422c61dd52c60177d859a2f701@i2pn2.org>
 <vrebc5$pg11$2@dont-email.me> <vreeg5$sqmv$1@dont-email.me>
 <vreihc$10425$2@dont-email.me> <vreoon$15qne$1@dont-email.me>
 <vrepdo$161nt$1@dont-email.me> <vrfg8o$1ptgh$1@dont-email.me>
 <vrgm65$2s8c6$3@dont-email.me> <vrgs4e$32rd1$1@dont-email.me>
 <vrh23i$37jqg$1@dont-email.me> <vrh2fk$38dho$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:57:15 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f988d9dcac7eb6bbca7658aece66eca9";
	logging-data="3556579"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+lglPZ1w9keChiw834B9aV5ebZJgurIUI="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:kS2i8CtA+pwUvsjcVufZ7rp/fQc=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <vrh2fk$38dho$1@dont-email.me>
Bytes: 2681

On 20.03.2025 13:42, FromTheRafters wrote:
> WM explained :

>>
>> I did not prove that an infinite set is equal to an empty set. I 
>> proved that *if* the union of FISONs is ℕ, then ℕ is empty. That is 
>> far from what you think.
> 
> I think that you didn't 'prove' anything.

Then you cannot follow mathematical thought.

> Your notions, based on your 
> intuition alone,

They are based on induction alone:

Peano: 1 and if n then n+1.

Zermelo: { } and if a then {a}.

WM: ℕ \ {1} = ℵo and if ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n} = ℵo then ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, 
...., n+1} = ℵo.

The infinities defined by induction by these three derivations cannot be 
distinguished.

Regards, WM