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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:33:12 +0000 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vrjboo$17u8e$2@dont-email.me> References: <vr1shq$1qopn$1@dont-email.me> <vr2m8j$2deaa$7@dont-email.me> <vr2mji$2d3ah$5@dont-email.me> <vr2qmt$2ij53$1@dont-email.me> <vr2r34$2d3ah$7@dont-email.me> <vr2tti$2kq04$3@dont-email.me> <vr3u4l$3idjs$2@dont-email.me> <vr4kkr$48ff$2@dont-email.me> <7f68c434c15abfc9d4b645992344f0e851f031a3@i2pn2.org> <vr4t3e$bkso$5@dont-email.me> <vr50bg$ed3o$5@dont-email.me> <vr5abg$m5ov$6@dont-email.me> <8ea8c8f1c661d0f2eef855af9b4c171d4f574826@i2pn2.org> <vr6po4$1udpn$7@dont-email.me> <4965dcbb84fc29c9ba9d3cea39b59a8608bfeb66@i2pn2.org> <vr7v51$2u81k$3@dont-email.me> <7db5f56a38a6b6eda2b63acc2568f5dedcc55efd@i2pn2.org> <vr9fp6$bv13$5@dont-email.me> <vrbrkd$2ii4j$1@dont-email.me> <vrbss5$2j07c$1@dont-email.me> <2dd0fa97e2387ba4bca36b40ca16925933b35d9a@i2pn2.org> <vrfe7q$1oabl$1@dont-email.me> <0e92642bf4519e50ba48d51b52d17749c6e19664@i2pn2.org> <vri3va$3egq$1@dont-email.me> <9495b0ea31b3c2559cf9515bfabe071d48cc9d39@i2pn2.org> <vrinjq$kefg$2@dont-email.me> <vrj702$14v65$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 10:33:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cc3172959e827479033dd9169def9845"; logging-data="1308942"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+/H46cKMEorXPqvFPbuH7PoHEU/FxvxNz8vXHCeTuH+A==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:C+zmpFbTRi/XG1gtus/xQ17X59M= In-Reply-To: <vrj702$14v65$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3206 On 21/03/2025 08:11, Mikko wrote: <snip> > Another part of human knowledge is that there are fools that try to > argue against proven theorems. Well, if it ain't proven it ain't yet a theorem. But is that enough? The background to the work of Church, Turing, Gödel and the like is Hilbert's second problem: "The compatibility of the arithmetical axioms", and the background to /that/ problem is that in the late 19th century mathematicians were occasionally coming up with proofs of X, only to discover in the literature that not-X had already been proved. The question then was which proof had the bug? But what if they were /both/ right? It was an obvious worry, and so arose the great question: is mathematics consistent? And Gödel proved not only that it isn't, but that it can't be. Fortunately, to date inconsistency has tended to surface only in corner cases like the Halting Problem, but Gödel's Hobgoblin hovers over mathematics to this day. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within