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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The reality of sets, on a scale of 1 to 10 [Was: The non-existence of "dark numbers"] Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:43:39 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <vrlt7r$3hfcp$3@dont-email.me> References: <vqrbtd$1chb7$2@solani.org> <ae5edd89-d5da-4ff4-a723-485cafa92582@att.net> <vrc8n0$2og7i$2@dont-email.me> <0b8644b2-7027-420e-b187-8214daaf9e3b@att.net> <vrf5bp$1gcun$1@dont-email.me> <b3730bf7-bcd1-4698-b465-6d6ef190b29d@att.net> <vrgm1k$2s8c6$2@dont-email.me> <c81100d7-9354-4c8e-b216-e147cab9b41c@att.net> <vrhrlb$3ta8t$1@dont-email.me> <c0de7504-7d17-42f1-83e8-8767c0859c0c@att.net> <vrj5nh$12273$1@dont-email.me> <efbe60c5-6691-4fd6-8638-589fd95ec8a4@att.net> <vrkabi$233at$1@dont-email.me> <vrkca8$18dh$1@news.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:43:40 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d42801696bdd1b1adfab498870700b12"; logging-data="3718553"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1//4jnSAeEn8f4lPSWSuIpFT0fBXvef9/s=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:2tuEOFSU2wY5Nr0No/IoxnoBHVg= In-Reply-To: <vrkca8$18dh$1@news.muc.de> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3443 On 21.03.2025 19:48, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> wrote: >> On 21.03.2025 18:39, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 3/21/2025 3:50 AM, WM wrote: >>>> On 20.03.2025 23:25, Jim Burns wrote: >>> >>>>> For sets not.having a WM.size, >>>>> Bob vanishing isn't a size.change. >>>> >>>> Only if reducing isn't reducing. >>> >>> What you (WM) think is reducing >>> isn't reducing. > >> You confuse the clear fact that in the reality of sets vanishing means >> reducing with the foolish claim that cardinality was a meaningful notion. > >> Learn that even Cantor has accepted that the positive numbers have more >> reality than the even positive numbers. > > You mean something like positive numbers have a reality score of 5, and > the even positive numbers only have a reality score of 3? No, The number of positive numbers is |ℕ|. The number of even natural numbers is |ℕ|/2. It needs really years of brainwashing to honestly believe that addition of a number or subset leaves the number of elements unchanged. It leaves the cardinality unchanged because this notion is tantamount to potential infinity. >> He said that is not in conflict with the identical cardinality of both >> sets. And he was right! > > I doubt very much Cantor said such rubbish. You have pronounced your own sentence: Your opinions are rubbish. > He was a mathematician. And you are not at all educated in this field. >> "Coun[t]able" is simply another name for potential infinity. > > Not even close. You are simply unable to follow reasonable ideas. >> Therefore the sentence "What you (WM) think is reducing isn't >> reducing" exhibits you as a snooty dilettante who cannot distinguish >> between cardinality and reality. > > Hah! He's got to you, has he? No, that is my judgement on JB. Regards, WM