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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context. Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 11:25:13 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vrmo99$5bpl$9@dont-email.me> References: <vr1shq$1qopn$1@dont-email.me> <vr4t3e$bkso$5@dont-email.me> <vr50bg$ed3o$5@dont-email.me> <vr5abg$m5ov$6@dont-email.me> <8ea8c8f1c661d0f2eef855af9b4c171d4f574826@i2pn2.org> <vr6po4$1udpn$7@dont-email.me> <4965dcbb84fc29c9ba9d3cea39b59a8608bfeb66@i2pn2.org> <vr7v51$2u81k$3@dont-email.me> <7db5f56a38a6b6eda2b63acc2568f5dedcc55efd@i2pn2.org> <vr9fp6$bv13$5@dont-email.me> <vrbrkd$2ii4j$1@dont-email.me> <vrbss5$2j07c$1@dont-email.me> <2dd0fa97e2387ba4bca36b40ca16925933b35d9a@i2pn2.org> <vrfe7q$1oabl$1@dont-email.me> <0e92642bf4519e50ba48d51b52d17749c6e19664@i2pn2.org> <vri3va$3egq$1@dont-email.me> <9495b0ea31b3c2559cf9515bfabe071d48cc9d39@i2pn2.org> <vrinjq$kefg$2@dont-email.me> <vrj702$14v65$1@dont-email.me> <vrjboo$17u8e$2@dont-email.me> <674e15b27aee55659e2925766cb6bb2b94fbb36d@i2pn2.org> <vrkh30$29m93$1@dont-email.me> <vrkq98$2h2aq$2@dont-email.me> <vrm927$3tmbh$1@dont-email.me> <vrmjas$5bpl$2@dont-email.me> <vrmmfm$9d6k$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 17:25:14 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0ec9c516aeb6faf287a21f372f67aa5c"; logging-data="175925"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/JCbHZ+6ouDUt6GNnLps7U" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YoBNVTDuzOPfBZhRRh5Ue4PgDQM= In-Reply-To: <vrmmfm$9d6k$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250322-2, 3/22/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4123 On 3/22/2025 10:54 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2025-03-22 15:00:44 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 3/22/2025 7:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-03-21 22:47:04 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 3/21/2025 3:10 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>> On 21/03/2025 11:48, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 3/21/25 5:33 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But what if they were /both/ right? It was an obvious worry, and >>>>>>> so arose the great question: is mathematics consistent? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And Gödel proved not only that it isn't, but that it can't be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fortunately, to date inconsistency has tended to surface only in >>>>>>> corner cases like the Halting Problem, but Gödel's Hobgoblin >>>>>>> hovers over mathematics to this day. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Godel didn't prove that Mathematics wasn't consistent. He proved >>>>>> that it couldn't be proved to BE consistant within itself. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I rather overstated the case. Sorry about that. >>>> >>>> Or we could simply define the rules for constructing a >>>> formal system such that inconsistency cannot exist. >>> >>> That is possible. An example is Horn clauses, which is the theory behind >>> Prolog. If the logic has no negation operator there is no posiibility to >>> express an inconsistency. But even then the question whether there is an >>> unprovable sentence is problematic. >> >> The body of human general knowledge that can be expressed >> in language cannot possibly have any unprovable expressions >> when truth preserving operations are the only category of >> inference steps allowed. > > There are unprovable expressions that may in future be in the body > of expressible human general knowledge. > The body of knowledge excludes unknown things that are instantly added to this set as soon as they are known. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer