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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: California dairies infected in Jan. 2024?
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2025 13:56:07 -0500
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On 3/21/2025 2:38 PM, RonO wrote:
> On 3/20/2025 2:59 PM, RonO wrote:
>> https://gisaid.org/fileadmin/c/gisaid/files/H5N1-HA-tree/ 
>> H5N1_HA_subsampled_tree_US_20250302.pdf
> 
> https://gisaid.org/fileadmin/c/gisaid/files/H5N1-HA-tree/ 
> H5N1_HA_subsampled_tree_US_20250320.pdf
> 
> The old links get discontinued and new ones get put up.
> 
> https://gisaid.org/resources/gisaid-in-the-news/highly-pathogenic-avian- 
> influenza-outbreak-in-the-united-states/
> 
> This page is stable and you can access the 3 gene phylogenies from here.
> 
> The new H5 tree seems to have had only one D1.1 sequence added and it 
> pulled the outlier (A/Texas/37/2024) onto its own branch this differs 
> from the previous tree.  My take is that they should remove the A/ 
> Texas/37/2024 sample from the analysis and see where the node actually 
> is that separates the wild bird B3.13 genotype from the dairy infection. 
>   Just going by relative sequence divergence it looks like the node may 
> fall within or closer to the California sequences.  The amount of 
> divergence of the California sequences indicated that the virus was 
> circulating within the California herds before Texas and the other 
> states got infected.  The early 2024 Idaho infections are much closer to 
> the Michigan, Minnesota and Colorado sequences (all likely infected by 
> Michigan strains) than they are to the California sequences.  The herd 
> that they tracked to Idaho from California and claimed that the virus 
> was similar to California (that October Idaho sequence is not included 
> in the phylogeny) were likely infected by the California herd, and the 
> Idaho cattle likely did not infect the California cows that returned to 
> California.  The Idaho herds confirmed to be infected from May to July 
> 2024 are a very different sequence than the California H5 sequence, and 
> the Idaho infection would likely not have changed as much by Sept. to 
> infect California with it's own clade so different from the Texas 
> sequences that the previous Idaho sequences evolved from.
> 
> My prediction is that California may have been the first state infected 
> by the dairy virus, but they were just in denial and never self reported 
> the disease until the cows started dying in the summer heat.
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 
>>
>> This is a phylogeny of the HA gene segment.  It is for the H5 Asian 
>> allele that is found in both the B3.13 dairy genotype and the D1.1 
>> wild bird genotype that has started to be found in dairy cattle.
>>
>> The B3.13 H5 sequence is at the top of the phylogeny and the D1.1 H5 
>> sequence is below and includes the Washington poultry worker (A/ 
>> Washington/240/2024|2024-10-18).  A/Nevada/10/2025|2025-02-04 is a 
>> recent D1.1 dairy infection.  The H5 sequence came into the US in 
>> 2022, but the D1.1 and B3.13 alleles of the H5 gene may have separated 
>> before getting to the US.  They don't have any sequences from 2022 so 
>> I can't tell.
>>
>> The bogus way that the USDA labels their sequences inhibits 
>> interpretation of the phylogeny.  The USDA only gives the collection 
>> date and sequencing date, and lists the location as USA.  GISAID seems 
>> to try to infer the location by the date of sequencing and press 
>> releases about those dates.  If they can't infer the location they 
>> leave it as USA which is useless for epidemiology within the US.
>>
>> It looks like the Iowa and Wisconsin patients were infected with a 
>> D1.3 genotype closely related to D1.1.  The Washington, Oregon, 
>> Wyoming, and Louisiana patients seem to have been infected with 
>> different strains of D1.1.  But all the D1.1 and D1.3 H5 alleles seem 
>> to come from a clade that may have branched off in 2022-2023.
>>
>> Something is strange about the B3.13 genotype H5 alleles.  It has been 
>> known that the first human patient in Texas with the B3.13 genotype 
>> was a sequence outlier compared to all the other dairy sequences. A/ 
>> Texas/37/2024|2024-03-28 still falls outside of all the other dairy 
>> sequences, but it now groups with a mountain lion from Montana, and a 
>> wild bird from Wyoming.  For the NA gene sequence the Texas patient is 
>> within the dairy clade instead of out side of it and is most closely 
>> related to the Missouri and Michigan human patients.  The Texas H5 
>> sequence may just have multiple mutations that occurred during the 
>> infection of that individual.  The mountain lion and wild bird N1 
>> sequences continue to fall outside of the dairy clade.  My take is 
>> that this means that the Texas patient H5 sequence should not be 
>> trusted in trying to figure out the source of the dairy infection.
>>
>> One thing to note is that all the California H5 sequence dairy 
>> infections are a separate clade that looks significantly different 
>> from other dairy infections.  Their sequences are also more variable 
>> than those more closely related to the Texas B3.13 H5 sequences.  It 
>> looks like the infection has been in California for a lot longer than 
>> when it was first detected late last year.  For some reason there 
>> seems to have been sequence evolution before California was infected 
>> or after the first few herds were infected, possibly, before Texas was 
>> detected in March 2024.  They need to redo their estimated time of 
>> divergence for the dairy B3.13 genotype.  A full genome sequence 
>> comparison is likely needed to figure out how California fits in with 
>> the spread of the dairy virus.  California commercial poultry farms 
>> started to go down in the central valley in October/November 2023 when 
>> it was estimated that the dairy virus entered into dairy cattle.  
>> Because of the stupid way that the USDA labels their sequences I could 
>> not tell which ones came from California last year, and I was told 
>> that the USDA did not give out the names of the researchers involved 
>> in the sequencing so that I could ask them to identify the California 
>> samples from 2023.
>>
>> The PB2 data may have some sample labeling issues or sample mix up 
>> because a sequence from one of the California human patients 
>> (California/192/2024) definitely groups with the D1.1 clade for the 
>> PB2 gene sequence, but the NA and H5 gene sequences group with the 
>> B3.13 genotype.
>>
>> NA phylogeny:
>> https://gisaid.org/fileadmin/c/gisaid/files/H5N1-NA-tree/ 
>> H5N1_NA_subsampled_tree_US_20250302.pdf
>> PB2 phylogeny:
>> https://gisaid.org/fileadmin/c/gisaid/files/H5N1-PB2-tree/ 
>> H5N1_PB2_subsampled_tree_US_20250302.pdf
>>
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>>
> 
https://gisaid.org/phylogeny-influenza/hpai-h5n1-usa/

GISAID has a full genome phylogeny that indicates that A/Texas/37/2024 
is likely causing incorrect rooting of the dairy virus.  They should 
likely take that sequence out of the phylogentic analysis.  As crazy as 
it may seem the GISAID has evidence that California dairies and poultry 
farms were infected by the B3.13 genotype before Texas.  I do not know 
the reason for them not to have disclosed this by now.  There are 4 
dairy samples and 3 chicken samples collected in California Jan. 2024. 
They would precede the Texas infections by a couple months.  The Jan 
2024 samples have much shorter branch lengths than the other California 
genomes.  This would be expected if they had been collected before the 
other California samples that were all collected after August 2024. 
Even though they have shorter branch lengths they all nest within the 
other California B3.13 sequences which form their own clade with more 
sequence variation than is found in the virus that infected Texas and 
Michigan.  The phylogeny indicates that the virus has been evolving in 
California for longer than it has in the dairies infected with the Texas 
strain.

Ron Okimoto

I do not know how long they have known that California had been infected 
by Jan 2024.