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On 2025-03-23 03:15:14 +0000, vallor said:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:17:14 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> <vrnqva$18oag$4@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 2025-03-22 14:52, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>> [A souped up Mac mini] would match what I have with Linux [in
>>>>>>> support of needed apps and use].
>>>>>> What actual tasks do you use the computer to complete?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keeping everything I run loaded at once.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you run, and what resources does each use?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take a look at my Cinnamon taskbar:  https://i.imgur.com/yPGDm6a.png
>> 
>> So nothing a Mac Mini with a base configuration couldn't easily handle.
> 
> I've owned two Mac Minis -- it's notebook hardware that runs slow as
> molasses.
> 
> We have a Mac Studio now, which was _way_ overpriced for what we got.
> Probably the most intensive application I've tried on it is Fooocus
> (which uses pyTorch), and I'd roughly estimate it is 1/4 the speed
> of my Linux workstation.
> 
> (You might blame pyTorch for that, as perhaps it doesn't use
> the GPU/NPU --

Almost certainly.

If it's an older version of PyTorch, then possibly you are running the 
Intel Mac version on the Mac Studio via Rosetta x86 emulation, which 
would be slower than running a newer Apple Silicon version.

Enable the GPU on Apple Silicon Macs means making changes to the 
PyTorch settings, which you may already have done:
<https://wiki.cci.arts.ac.uk/books/how-to-guides/page/enable-gpu-support-with-pytorch-macos> 

<https://medium.com/@mustafamujahid01/pytorch-for-mac-m1-m2-with-gpu-acceleration-2023-jupyter-and-vs-code-setup-for-pytorch-included-100c0d0acfe2> 




> but I blame Apple for not ensuring that such things are integrated 
> immediately.)
> 
> It does have acceptable performance for everything Mrs. vallor uses
> it for, but that's not much.  Nevertheless, it's better than we
> saw with either of the Mac minis.  (The first Mac mini we owned
> had a 5400RPM spinner for its main drive!  Ugh.)
> 
> TL;DR: The Mac Studio is a certified UNIX(r) workstation -- and has
> the price tag to prove it.  But it doesn't chooch very well.
> 
> (note addition of csma)