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On 3/22/2025 7:48 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:53:18 -0400, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> 
>>> https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:29:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 16:30:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
>>>>>> members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
>>>>>> President does has the power to do what he did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
>>>>> involved follows the rules.  Breaking the rules intentionally by our
>>>>> elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
>>>>> and eventual ruin.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
>>>>> funding, we've been here before.
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
>>>>> The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
>>>>> the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
>>>>>
>>>>> (March 14, 2025)
>>>>> "President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
>>>>> Restoring"
>>>>> <https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
>>>>
>>>> Democrats say so, anyway...
>>>
>>> Probably true.  Most Republicans seem to be uncertain as to what to
>>> support, advocate, endorse, or say.  They'll probably follow the party
>>> line.  The Democrats are no better and will probably do the same.  The
>>> likely winner is the one who makes the fewest mistakes.  The Democrats
>>> seem to believe that doing nothing is the way to make fewer mistakes.
>>>
>>>>> Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
>>>>
>>>> https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
>>>>
>>>>> The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021.  Just
>>>>> to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
>>>>> for me to be considered a terrorist.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps...  depends on what you dom with it.
>>>
>>> You didn't answer my question.  Who is the "anyone" that is having
>>> difficulty controlling the "illegal members of terrorist outfit(s)"?
> 
>> The people who oppose getting them out of the country.  Here's some..
>> https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us
> 
> I'll try again.  You initially wrote:
> 
> "It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
> members of terrorist outfit."
> 
> I then asked.  I then asked who are these "illegal members of
> terrorist outfit(s)?".  You replied that they are undocumented
> immigrants.  Are they all illegal?  Are they all terrorists?  You does
> the Dogue determine which are legal, illegal, terrorist, or victims of
> a computer error?  Is the Dogue even trying?  Is there any due process
> or appeal?
> 
> You replied with a link to a "think tank" called Data for Progress":
> <https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us>
> <https://www.statistics.gov.hk/wsc/IPS064-P3-S.pdf>
> I read the article and found that they are a left leaning (Progressive
> and possibly Democrat) organization conducting a survey to determine
> what voters think of the deportations.  They are using a "web panel
> survey" system.  They didn't provide much info on how they selected
> their 1,189 "likely voters".  I do see some indications that there was
> some cherry picking and that ALL the data is supplied by the
> respondent and not verified.  Among the features is "The sample was
> weighted to be representative of likely voters by age, gender,
> education, race, geography, and recalled presidential vote."  I don't
> know what that means since the weights were not tabulated.  I read it
> as tweaking the result to correspond to expectations.  That should be
> enough for now.
> 
> I consider this survey to have been tweaked, of questionable value and
> probably inaccurate.  So, how does this survey relate to "anyone"
> having difficulties getting rid of illegal members of terrorist
> outfit(s)"?  It doesn't relate at all, unless you want to accuse the
> people running the survey of being illegal or terrorists in some
> manner.  Or, maybe you would prefer that the country be run by a
> for-hire opinion poll organization?
> 

All good points.

Polling is not only more art (and sometimes political 
subterfuge) than science, but nothing and no person ever 
polls at 100%.

Ipsos:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/majority-americans-support-deporting-immigrants-who-are-us-illegally

TIPP:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/tipp-poll-deportation/2025/03/16/id/1203039/

AP / NORC:

https://apnorc.org/projects/widespread-support-for-deporting-immigrants-convicted-of-violent-crimes/

etc there are more and they of course vary.


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Andrew Muzi
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