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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shocking speed difference, Ubuntu vs. Linux Mint, Snap vs.
 Flatpak
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 20:47:46 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-03-23, Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-03-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-23 3:06 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-22 3:48 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-03-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 11:01 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21 1:20 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 10:57 p.m., pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:31:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone out there is a fan of Snaps, then there is a chance they might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be fans of Ubuntu itself. The idea of switching out the GNU tools
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that work perfectly well in favour of rewritten Rust ones is just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic. I would trust the people who produced the GNU tools decades ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot more than the filthy hippies who will rewrite them in Rust for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoretical benefit in regards to memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been running Ubuntu as my main machine. I'm not a fan of GNOME but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can live with it.  I can also like with snap, flatpak, and AppImage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brave is the only app that shows up both in the snap and flatpak list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a lot of consistency. Firefox and dotnet are snaps, Vim is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flatpak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been running MXLinux for a long time, years in fact, but I tried out
>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest version of LinuxMint Cinnamon  and on the same hardware it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> much, much faster than MXLinux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially with regards to loading browsers and surfing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was painfully slow under MXLinux. Browser didn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan of LinuxMint in the past but I sure am now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's come a long way baby!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a fan now. It made the pathetic the old hardware feel relatively
>>>>>>>>>>> new. Its 5250U processor wasn't even good at the time, but it at least
>>>>>>>>>>> feels adequate eight years later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 5250U is faster than the 5300U that's in my Dell Latitude E7450 laptop.
>>>>>>>>>> But they're pretty closely related. I'm happy with the performance of the
>>>>>>>>>> E7450 (I do have 16 GBs of RAM, so that might help.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Mac's got 8GB with no possibility of upgrading it. I can replace the
>>>>>>>>> 128GB it came with, I even have the adapter for it, but Mint doesn't
>>>>>>>>> even fill up the 128GB. At 25% wear, I think I can run it for a number
>>>>>>>>> of years before needing to switch the storage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The MacBook Air that I haven't yet sold (2015 version) is also stuck at 8
>>>>>>>> GBs. I can't remember what CPU it uses (it looks like a 5250U like yours) by
>>>>>>>> the specs I find online. It's also at 128 GBs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell yourself that if you were a Mac user, you would have no choice but
>>>>>>> to bury that thing next to the family dog because it is officially
>>>>>>> useless. Of course, with something like Linux Mint, it is still good in
>>>>>>> 2025.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, I know that some Mac users that are still rocking
>>>>>>> their 2012 machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The MacBook Air definitely slowed down when I upgraded from Catalina to
>>>>>> Monterey. (If I had realized how quickly Monterey was going to be EOL'd I
>>>>>> wouldn't have bothered.) So I tried a Live USB version of Linux Mint
>>>>>> Cinnamon 22.1 last night (after figuring out I needed to use the Option key
>>>>>> at boot instead of Command+R). Worked well. If the keyboard wasn't so funky
>>>>>> I would probably just install Linux Mint and keep it. Maybe I will anyhow, I
>>>>>> don't know. I do admit that the build on the Apple MacBooks is pretty nice.
>>>>>> (Although I really got it just to test a few Apple-only applications.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even though the WiFi card is Broadcom, Linux Mint has no trouble installing
>>>>>> a good driver for it — speed was impressive. At least on par with my
>>>>>> Latitude E7450 (which is pretty good for the MacBook Air since it has half
>>>>>> the RAM — I don't leave a lot open at once anyhow).
>>>>>
>>>>> Installing Linux Mint on the MacBook Air was trouble free whereas doing
>>>>> the same with Ubuntu required me to download the proprietary drivers
>>>>> through a Bluetooth connection to my phone. For that reason alone, Mint
>>>>> gets my vote. The fact that it is so much faster only adds to that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to admit I'm not a fan of its keyboard either. It got good
>>>>> reviews, but I find it fairly mushy.
>>>> 
>>>> I was thinking more in terms of the Macs key layout (I use the Control key a
>>>> lot). The quality of the 2015 MacBook's keyboard is pretty good. But I have
>>>> read in the past that the 2017 MacBook Air was a bit thinner than the 2015
>>>> (and earlier models) and did have issues with a mushy keyboard.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's one of many comments on the 2017 keyboard (this one found on
>>>> Reddit) about it...
>>>> 
>>>>     2017 here. Owned mine about a year. Keys stick randomly. Thankfully
>>>>     they’ve always come back eventually. Still frustrating as heck. Easily
>>>>     the worst keyboard Apple has ever released, both in terms of reliability
>>>>     and satisfaction. It’s a total POS to type on. Go find a 2015 and wait
>>>>     until Apple realises thinner isn’t always better if it means sacrificing
>>>>     quality and functionality.
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the posters in this particular thread thought it might have
>>>> something to do with too much heat.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8ippga/how_bad_are_the_keyboard_issues_on_the_2017_model/
>>>> 
>>>> (Now that I look a little closer I see that these comments were specifically
>>>> about the MacBook Pros, not the Airs so, hopefully, they were worse than
>>>> your Air.) I do think however, that they 2017 keyboards were not well
>>>> received. I think they went to a different keyboard a couple years later.
>>>
>>> All I can say for sure is that I wouldn't feel comfortable typing on the 
>>> 2017 keyboard all day. I gave away a Toshiba laptop from around 2007 
>>> which had a stellar keyboard: it had thick keys that traveled as much as 
>>> a typical Logitech keyboard would. That type, unfortunately, has been 
>>> retired in favour of thin and unreliable. After a decade, the Toshiba 
>>> laptop's keyboard was still operational. Mac keyboards, as well as the 
>>> one on the laptop I'm using at the moment, can't seemingly go longer 
>>> than two or three years.
>
> Invisable type isn't very effective ;)

Sorry about that. I DID actually write something, but somehow deleted it 
before posting.

Just something about liking older keyboards better.

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