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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: How a True(X) predicate can be defined for the set of analytic knowledge Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:55:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: <vrq008$35a4m$7@dont-email.me> References: <vrfvbd$256og$2@dont-email.me> <3cf0a34d9382774fd8275a118d1af8b0841c8eb1@i2pn2.org> <vrhacd$3fbja$1@dont-email.me> <vrj8nr$16c78$1@dont-email.me> <vrjmtr$1ilbe$1@dont-email.me> <vrmomn$b31e$1@dont-email.me> <vrmsmp$cvat$4@dont-email.me> <4fcdc85c3c241ccf5dae48e0812f51fcd5aee1d3@i2pn2.org> <vrn1p6$hpve$2@dont-email.me> <ead79b94d318e397648f1d43f41d6616be3392a4@i2pn2.org> <vrn294$hpve$4@dont-email.me> <cd20e0d9005a654e445500e64917832f34de1f6e@i2pn2.org> <vrpi98$2qbhf$4@dont-email.me> <5deca4d0b2a0776b85bd3a4ade3cb99690f54c51@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 22:55:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f92c4786d2cda46e6b9083b2e30acd51"; logging-data="3319958"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19SVeq9fqDtEYajrqaYAV7w" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZEULaL5XsWR1Xn5S/ChBNqnj7dU= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250323-4, 3/23/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <5deca4d0b2a0776b85bd3a4ade3cb99690f54c51@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4013 On 3/23/2025 4:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/23/25 2:01 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/23/2025 10:24 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:15:48 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 3/22/2025 2:10 PM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:07:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> >>>>>> It is pretty stupid to claim that Knowledge "⊂" Truth is an >>>>>> example of >>>>>> fraud. >>>>>> True(X) works perfectly within the body of knowledge that can be >>>>>> expressed using language. >>>>> But not for unknown truths. >>>> Is it really that hard to understand that knowledge does not include >>>> unknowns? >>> No, but unknowns are still true. >>> >> >> When we define the set of all general knowledge >> that can be expressed using language then we >> have the basis for creating artificial general >> intelligence. >> > > Nope, you just don't understand how AI works. > > There is a computational barrier that limits how many "facts" the > "neuron cluster" can remember based on its "size", and the computational > requirement grow exponentially with size, so the limitation isn't how > much "data" we can provide the system, but how well we can pre-organize > things so it doesn't need to actually "learn" stuff. > I am referring to a tree of knowledge similar to the work of Doug Lenat. This is not any sort of neural network. > Your problem is you just don't understand the nature of what you talk > about, but seem to have read just the CliffsNotes version and think you > understand the details which were never actually discussed in the > abreviation given. > > This causes you to not know what you don't know, and then your nature > seems to assume that you can make up what every you want and just assume > it to be true, which just makes you system broken. > If this was not pure bullshit you would have not started with the assumption that AI <is> neural networks. > Sorry, you are proven that you are totally ignorant of the basics of the > things you talk about, and that your "arguments" are just based on the > FRAUD of using incorrect definitions for core terms, because you think > you are allowed to change the. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer