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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Kestrel Clayton <richZIG.e.clayZIGton@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Observe the trend Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:47:18 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vrs9bm$1eibq$3@dont-email.me> References: <vqlov3$163g0$1@dont-email.me> <735tsjl2hs5plafjvoa9ef10217idps4o6@4ax.com> <vqmhhl$1agp7$1@dont-email.me> <vqn90j$1fiid$1@dont-email.me> <vqpa3k$1vbsh$2@dont-email.me> <csf0tjl5i3ha9jsha3aki8b2rp0nrb6uqn@4ax.com> <vqq50f$254gg$1@dont-email.me> <rn03tj9u0n6pr86t6a6q0d1ju066htbm3d@4ax.com> <vqtmbe$32o3u$1@dont-email.me> <57n5tj9gjhbo0rnmkffrqtmumjd8ru5c93@4ax.com> <vqvcgh$3pg29$1@dont-email.me> <e0o7tj1tq4gnlq44g1rfhqvnvctvbkfdkt@4ax.com> <vr0rvp$vs38$1@dont-email.me> <jgl8tj1qm963i0cj3joknts1po6j9smqh8@4ax.com> <vrs09b$15iau$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="60562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:/yLvaQC83oeoX9d3ZJR09JNTuks= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 94E5422978C; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:47:30 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69160229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 14:47:28 -0400 (EDT) id CA3891C08DF; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF8141C0388 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B89C622BA for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/6B89C622BA; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 348C6DC01CA; Mon, 24 Mar 2025 19:47:19 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2025 19:47:19 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18YnukWYBUol8xf6heskaH3IzbZKBrXC0N78AoVyhhHOsfspgqtdyiH Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vrs09b$15iau$3@dont-email.me> DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4415 On 24-Mar-25 12:12, Mark Isaak wrote: > On 3/14/25 9:19 AM, Bob Casanova wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 20:13:29 +1100, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>: >> >> <snip> >>> >>> The measure of literalism is in the *interpretation* of the text of >>> Genesis, not the quoting of it. >>> >> Nope; sorry. "Literalism" literally (sorry 'bout that) means >> that the text is taken exactly as read; no interpretation >> allowed. If it's interpreted it's not taken literally. > > Note that interpretation and literalism are not mutually exclusive. For > example, if I say, "The cat chased the dog" and you think, "It must have > been a pretty mean cat," that's interpretation, even though you still > read it literally. Agreed. It's even more an interpretation if the language has changed or the origin culture differs from the culture doing the interpreting. Even in a single culture and time, words and phrases can have multiple meanings: In "the cat chased the dog," "cat" could refer to a cool or admirable human. Even if it almost certainly doesn't given the context, it's still is an interpretation. -- [The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.] Kestrel Clayton "Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire, host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey