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On 3/24/2025 10:04 PM, cyclintom wrote:
> On Mon Mar 24 17:54:27 2025 Zen Cycle  wrote:
>>
>> Keith Bontrager had absolutely nothing to do with the development of the
>> Wavecel Helmet and has nothing to do with the manufacturing of the helmets.
>>
>> Wavecel was founded by Michael Bottlang, PhD and Dr. Steve Madey.
>>
>> https://wavecel.com/about-us/
>>
>> They published a white paper in 2018 describing their research and
>> suggestions for new helmet design.
>>
>> https://wavecel.com/wp-content/uploads/accidentanalysispublication.pdf
>>
>> - The abstract states "rotational acceleration and the associated brain
>> injury risk can be significantly reduced by the cellular WAVECEL concept
>> or a MIPS slip liner."
>>
>> - The Disclosure states "Some of the authors (MB, SMM) are co-inventors
>> of CELL technology described in this manuscript, have filed patents, and
>> have a financial interest in the company that owns this technology.
>> These authors (MB, SMM) are founders and co-directors of the Legacy
>> Biomechanics Laboratory. Several of the authors (EB, AR, ST, SMM,
>> MB) are affiliated with the Legacy Health System, which was a partial
>> funder of this research."
>>
>> No Bontrager.
>>
>> Bontragers name is associated with it for the simple reason that Trek
>> bought the technology and sells bike accessories under the Bontrager
>> trademark. The differences between Trek and Bontrager Wavecel models are
>> mostly aesthetic. Some models run cooler and or lighter than others, but
>> this isn't exclusive to trek or bontrager. In fact, there are Circuit
>> and Stavros models for both Trek and Bontrager which are identical
>> except for color choices.
>>
>> https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/wavecel-helmets/c/E399/
>>
>> yeah yeah....we know, Kieth told you personally that he designed the
>> helmet after he talked to you about your injury, right?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for that piece of information. I might ask why you didn't inform us before when I told everyone about the Wavecel? 

Why would I, dumbass? I have no opinion of the Wavecel, it's your claim 
that they were invented by Kieth Bontrager I'm addressing.

> Was it because you were too busy telling everyone that it was a useless piece of shit? 

I never made any claim even remotely suggesting that.

> I haven't seen Keith since before I was injured so he wasn't marketing them under his name at that time.

He still isn't. He never marketed Wavecel helmets. Trek owns the 
Bontrager name for marketing purposes. Trek markets them under the Trek 
name and the Bontrager name.

> 
> Now that you found information proving me wrong suddenly they are the cat's pajamas?  Or are you still of the opinion that they are a piece of shit because I am recommending them? 

False First Premise: That I ever claimed they were bad. Lab tests show 
them to be better, that's all I really know about them, besides the fact 
that Kieth Bontrager has nothing to do with them.

> But since Trek stopped marketing them they are not being marketed. Or maybe you have some more informtion on the Spector that I cannot find?

Of course you can't find it, you're an idiot.

If you weren't, you'd know all you would need to do is type "trek 
wavecel 2025" into your web browser - but no, that's above and beyond 
your abilities.

 From my link above:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/wavecel-helmets/c/E399/

Here's one of the seven Trek Wavecel offerings on that page:
https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/equipment/bike-accessories/bike-helmets/mountain-bike-helmets/mens-mountain-bike-helmets/trek-rally-wavecel-mountain-bike-helmet/p/45105/?colorCode=purple_black

The current webpage from Trek showing the helmets for sale isn't enough 
for you to understand that Trek still markets wavecel helmets?