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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:05:39 -0400
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> floriduh dumbass <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 25 Mar 2025 17:33:47 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 25 Mar 2025 08:02:38 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/24/2025 6:02 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like to wear helmet for extra protection against a fall. I do agree
>>>>>>> that for me even running with a helmet would be good since I have no
>>>>>>> balance to run anymore. However, Frank is I think in the minority about
>>>>>>> helmets...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that's not true. In the current echo chamber of avid sport
>>>>>> cyclists I am a minority. But very I'm comfortable with not following
>>>>>> most of the group's trends. I don't use clipless pedals, I don't use
>>>>>> brifters or disk brakes, I don't ride in jerseys that advertise my
>>>>>> favorite products or my favorite racing team, I don't use aerodynamic
>>>>>> sunglasses, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in the total population of world cyclists, it's the helmet wearers
>>>>>> who are a definite minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... and while he may have data to support it sometimes we humans
>>>>>>> overlook data. I rely sometimes only on intuition and what I think might
>>>>>>> be good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a common human trait. It leads to lots of bad decisions, but it's
>>>>>> common. It's usually wiser to pay attention to good data, when it's
>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really don't understand the length's Frank goes to dis
>>>>>>> helmets but maybe I am simply taking it more than it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you check, you'll see I never initiate helmet debates. But when
>>>>>> someone else - um, like you, Mark! - starts stating or implying that
>>>>>> helmets have great benefit, and/or states or implies that bicycling is a
>>>>>> serious risk for brain injury, I do point out that those notions are false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bicycling has never been a major source of serious traumatic brain
>>>>>> injury (TBI). On a nationwide basis, bicycling's contribution to TBI
>>>>>> counts is low enough to be off most "causes" charts. Bicycling causes
>>>>>> fewer then 1% of U.S. TBI deaths, far fewer than pedestrian travel, and
>>>>>> far fewer on a "per mile" basis. And historic data over the years shows
>>>>>> quite clearly that bicycle helmets are not preventing either fatalities
>>>>>> or concussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Data on request - but it's been posted or linked countless times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Helmets for cycle safety are distraction to use one of UK bike
>>>>> personalities/transport experts aka Chris Boardman.
>>>>>
>>>>> With cycling the danger and risk is almost entirely introduced by
>>>>> motorists, which should be the focus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Helmet ?debates? as ever seem to go nowhere as folks have such intrenched
>>>>> positions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> I can't understand why anyone argues about wearing helmets other than
>>>> about making it mandatory. Whether on not a person wears a helmet has
>>>> no effect on anyone else. As for laws about adults wearing them, they
>>>> are gradually falling by the wayside.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get it required by organisations and organised events which is admittedly a
>>> low percentage of cyclists ie folks who are club members and/or Sportives
>>> etc which often requires helmets commonly due to insurance.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> I wouldn't ride anyplace where bicycle helmets were required. I tried
>> one on my head once, I could feel my IQ going down.

That wasn't from the helmet