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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:29:17 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <vrv3mt$37ar$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrru3v$152e3$3@dont-email.me> <vrrvqs$1816i$1@dont-email.me> <vrs3qh$19skh$3@dont-email.me> <4DnEP.1232536$FVcd.370683@fx10.iad> <vrubn2$3efo8$1@dont-email.me> <fqAEP.93396$W1a6.6796@fx04.iad> <5ln5ujt214c0qg58sq70hmp4fgghkcja5r@4ax.com> <vruopf$3ptni$1@dont-email.me> <6bs5ujpi51u3iig81n65r3oqqb611gitkt@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 21:29:18 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="156e323c3aba65964f1eaa3caea2714e"; logging-data="105819"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/E3CXCkh+YwAxIMtRTY+iD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:4XwhlCPS3fotDwteM1HqC/RPa7k= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <6bs5ujpi51u3iig81n65r3oqqb611gitkt@4ax.com> Bytes: 3394 On 3/25/2025 1:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 12:22:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > >> A significant amount of sewing time for a $40 retail product. > > It's not too difficult to make cycling gloves. However, it does > require some practice and experience. The problem is that no part of > the glove will lie flat on the sewing machine bed plate. That means > that fixtures, jigs, attachments and preforms don't work well. I can > easily find automated glove making machinery, but they're all for blow > molded rubber or for knitted gloves. The leather palm and knitted > back of the typical bicycle glove do not lend themselves to > automation. The leather palm can be preformed, but that creates a > problem for store display and packaging, which are best done flat. > <https://www.google.com/search?q=automated%20glove%20making&udm=2> > For me, the problem was making the stitched leather seams inside the > glove reasonably comfortable. Some of the gloves I've seen don't even > bother with this and simply leave a lumpy seam inside the glove. I > tried Latex glue instead of stiching, but found that the glue was > messy, aged badly and would not remain very flexible. > > When all else is likely to fail, machine sewing the gloves, without > automation, is probably best. > > > Right, it certainly is. I have sourced my own private label gloves in three countries so I'm familiar with the relationship between pattern and cost. Most cycling gloves are indeed flat which does lower cost somewhat. Also, less detail = fewer stitches = lower labor cost. Compare $15~$20 Pakistani cotton-back goatskin cycling gloves with $140 Italian driving gloves for example: https://www.fratelli-orsini.com/collections/mens-collection/products/arturo-cognac-hand-sewn-italian-crochet-driving-gloves-from-lambskin-leather Yes lamb costs more than goat, but still. Even at the $120 sale price. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971